@Fred B
if youre looking for something about Irish politics/culture, you cant go wrong with the Rocky Road To Dublin documentary from '68
then theres the usual suspects: jim sheridan, neil jordan, lenny abrahamson
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
the quiet man
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
That's what I call Fred too.
― High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
ryans daughterthe fielddarkman
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
Thanks Michael. I checked out their filmographies, and I have in fact wanted to watch Get Rich or Die Tryin' for a while.
― Frederik B, Monday, 10 February 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link
the most Gaelic of the lot
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link
Wait a minute, I watched Black 47 by Lance Daly at Berlin last year! That counts.
Sorry for the digression. Carry on.
― Frederik B, Monday, 10 February 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
this is an irish film i liked: https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/film-week-silence
― mark s, Monday, 10 February 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
lads
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
26 seats left to fill
i havent been at the tv all day, and the liveblogs available havent imo made a great job of spelling out what can or should go where in each remaining race, but the seat predictions last available reckon ff/fg split c.20 of them, and the rest pretty much go evenly to greens/sd/labour
id be very surprised if there arent inds, an sf, maybe a pbp in there somewhere but i really havent been keeping up tbh
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
Greens up to 4th of 5 in Dublin South-West, which has just put through a PBP candidate.
I'd like to do a study of what the average transfer pattern was for each party - but I'd like more if someone had already done it?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
ill keep an eye out, i posted something that looked at SF total transfers to others last night late and im sure it will be available at some stage
id caveat an average tho, geography/local ground has been a major factor in transfers and parties have been surprised throughout by unpredictability
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
donegal is crazy tight
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
After the transfer of Harley's votes it's neck and neck at the top. Joe McHugh with a huge leap. Count 8 results.McHugh +1932 10920Pringle +514 10755McConalogue +216 10270Gallagher +628 10146It all comes down to John O'Donnell's preferences @RTEDonegal #GE2020 pic.twitter.com/VMgpGsu1l7— Oisín Bradley (@oisinbradley) February 10, 2020
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
If the music stopped right now, it'd be 2 each to SD / Greens / Labour, 4 each to FG and independents, and 12 to FF!
Now there's maybe a few constituencies where the FF in the medals might fall out because FG have ran three instead.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link
7000 independent transfers are about to hit that spread, incredible xp
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
FF wouldve been furious with < 50 seats on Wednesday last, i think
theyd take 37 right now i guess
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
Yeah, fair point about the averages
(connoisseurs of the partisan transfer might want to have a look at Cork East)
I'm more struck by the people I know who'd rather have set themselves on fire than vote Green after 2011, and whether that's mellowed - where are the Green transfers coming from, are there PBP/Green ballot papers?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
best electoral system in the world, obv
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
green are taking them from everywhere imo
the conversation has moved forward
also, that green party was particularly dunderheaded in what it gained for supporting FF
frankly, labour had a lot better of a story to spin vs FF or greens ito what they sacrificed to stay in govt and what was gained, but they have been utterly passive ever since getting flung out and not turning over their candidates was a huge error.
i must try to see where they and the sd's differ or align, because thatvis exactly the type of energy and moves they shouldve been making, and the points and votes heading SF way now could imo quite plausibly have been in large part a labour surge this time round.
tldr- fuckin voters mayne they break yr heart
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
Dublin SW & Wickla in the verge of throwing us two more TDs is it? (Also, transfers aaaagh).
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link
Two more Green TDs, I should say.
I remember it being said (possibly on this thread!) that if Labour wanted to stand for anything, they should have let FG run a minority government after 2011 rather than let FF don the robes of the official opposition.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link
im on the feckin bus ffs, keep me informed pls
lab shouldve left fg to it? i think their motives and beliefs were sincere and i dont know were they "wrong" but politically, eek gluck
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
looks like Pringle over Pat the Cope
― Number None, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:49 (four years ago) link
jaysus
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:50 (four years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gallagher_(academic)
i think this is the glum/characterful prof from last night gyac, based on his voice on rte radio atm
he sounds much cheerier today but v affable, v easy to listen to
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
"best electoral system in the world, obv"
when some of the worst pundits in the UK are feigning confusion and saying it is inscrutable and bad then it must be good tbh.
― calzino, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
The only news in the last half hour (apart from late-breaking Donegal xps!) is that Kerry's last seat went to FF and the third seat in Laois-Offaly went to Charlie Flanagan of FG. And now I'm getting on my bike.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
Laois-Offaly is ALMOST always last, ye have to drag the fifth seat out of us. Insert your cruel joke about boggers here. Charlie can consider himself chastened for his RIC shite. Where is a good livestream for this that works on mobile? Donegal is due shortly after 7.
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
The FF transfer in Wicklow has pushed the Green to 5th of 5, and next up will be transfers from the lowest of the three FG* - if they were superhumanly scheming, the other two might get a chance? There's an independent to go next after, anyway.
* if we don't like Timmys, how do we feel about Billy Timmins, in many ways the opposite name?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
xp It's up now, as NN says The Cope is out, by 350 votes.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
Btw I just want to point out that this winner got absolutely steamrollered by the electorate.
In the run up to the 2020 general election, she was broadly criticised for tweeting a photograph of her campaign van parked on a footpath. Among those critical of her actions, and her response to criticism, was disability activist Joanne O'Riordan who accused Senator Noone of making "the lives of people with disabilities harder to live". Noone initially tweeted that people should "get a grip" and cease complaining, but then deleted the tweet, and later apologised.In the same election campaign, she referred to the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar as "Autistic", before denying having said it. Having been made aware that her remarks were recorded, she said that she didn't mean to use the word in that context and gave examples of potentially offensive words that could be used out of context, including "special" and "n***er". She then clarified that she would never use the n-word, and said it was a bad example. On 28 January 2020 she issued an apology.However, the apology was not accepted by leading Autism and Asperger campaigner Fiona Ferris, the deputy chief executive of AsIAm, an autism charity who called for Noone and other politicians to learn about Autism. Ferris, expanding on her remarks, added "If we go about the attitude that people can say whatever they want and then totally withdraw a statement, I mean, the world would not be a very nice place."Carly Bailey, a candidate in the 2020 election and a parent of a son with Autism added in separate comments that "her words have hurt a great many people on the autism spectrum and their families."
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
The FF transfer in Wicklow has pushed the Green to 5th of 5, and next up will be transfers from the lowest of the three FG* - if they were superhumanly scheming, the other two might get a chance? There's an independent to go next after, anyway.* if we don't like Timmys, how do we feel about Billy Timmins, in many ways the opposite name?
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
The RTE site works pretty well on my mobile, which is a nice surprise.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link
Was it official though AF? RTÉ Donegal have only just tweeted it, and you’d assume they’d be in haste to get the drinks in after that.
Pat the Cope Gallagher has lost his seat, Thomas Pringle, Joe McHugh and Charlie McConalogue have been elected without the reaching the quota on the 9th and final count— RTÉdonegal (@RTEDonegal) February 10, 2020
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link
Joe McHugh - 12,104 ELECTED Thomas Pringle - 12,245 ELECTED Charlie McConalogue - 11,432 ELECTED Pat the Cope Gallagher - 11,074
― Number None, Monday, 10 February 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link
*reads wikipedia page* so this guy is named after…a grocery store?
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
ah more of a Target
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
Wicklow only have one TD elected on count 12?! Jesus Christ!
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
No yeah I only mean it was official (on RTE) when I posted it, they had it time stamped 18:56.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
As they (almost) (used to) sing at Ibrox Park every other weekend, I'd rather be a Billy than a Timmy.
― High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
👋🏻 @ silby, always good to see you Sligo-Leitrim one TD seated after count 13? Come the fuck on, lads!
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link
if i could sweat onions like sligo sweats candidates id be masterchef
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
Another nickname candidate is Kevin “Boxer” Moran in Longford-Westmeath. Idk much about him but he seems ok? Anyway this is hilarious.
Moran is often referred to by the nickname "Boxer", a nickname which arose from him hitting an opponent in a football game at the age of 12.
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link
From my 2nd favourite RTÉ article of the day (this is the 1st):
In 2020 the left vote rose to unprecedented heights. Defining the left as including Sinn Féin, Solidarity/PBP, Social Democrats, Labour and Greens gives a figure of 42%.Arguably this might be augmented by a few independents, but this would not add much.How far everyone in this grouping might agree with my classification is another matter, but I think most observers outside the country would agree with my grouping, although whether the Greens are really a left movement is widely debated.Voters who were voting left and transferring left seem to have done so more between SF and Solidarity/PBP than between either of these and Labour.Academic analyses has found that voters for all these parties tend to identify themselves as 'left, although that is not to say that their policy preferences accord with what we might expect of someone on the left: they certainly often favour tax cuts over spending on social services, and are wary of state intervention in economic affairs.
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
Labour squeezed a 5th seat out of Fingal.
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link
Naïve American's question for the day: other than the obvious high-drama of not knowing which parties will form the eventual coalition government, what large issues are at stake in this election for the people of Ireland?
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 10 February 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
This is the exit poll breakdown and chimes with what I’ve heard from people at home and read online.https://img.rasset.ie/001392a8-614.jpg?ratio=1.79Housing is a huge issue in Ireland. Deems can maybe give more detail since he actually lives it, but rents are extortionate and landlords charge horrendous amounts for total kips. Homelessness is bundled alongside this too - this is a big problem, not just in terms of huge numbers of rough sleepers but also families housed in temporary accommodation. Health service is completely inadequate, there have been pay disputes with nurses and tons of graduates emigrate cos fuck that.But tl;dr the two big parties have run the country since independence, mostly Fianna Fáil, but since the crash people have run out of patience with them and the above problems getting worse and worse.
― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
Ruth Dudley Edwards with her typically measured take
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards/sinn-feins-rise-akin-to-that-of-nazis-in-1930s-and-is-a-threat-to-democracy-on-this-island-38940177.html
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 10 February 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link