Irish politics discussion thread

is the sf "oo er" foreign coverage focused on paramilitary or syriza type notions or what

either stupid obv but im lookin for the flavour iykwim

The former. Though i suspect many of these people have more of a problem with the leftishness. Esp since there’s a big overlap in the “shitting themselves over Corbyn gulaging them” fantasists and every lazy commentator vomiting out atrocious takes like these.

Wow great result for the Greens

The fourth and final seat in Limerick City has gone to Green candidate Brian Leddin after he received an additional 2,351 transfers from Labour's Jan O'Sullivan on the ninth count.

He is the first Green ever to be elected in Limerick.

It was a neck-and-neck battle for that final seat between him and Independent Frankie Daly, but Brian Leddin edged ahead by just 4 votes on the seventh count, and edged further - by 171 votes - on the eighth count, to finally secure the seat with a margin of 2,351 votes on the ninth count and was deemed elected without reaching the quota.

He said he was thrilled with his victory and it was a big ask, as he is the first Green councillor and now TD ever elected in Limerick.

He said the new Green parliamentary party will meet in Dublin tomorrow to figure out their next move. He said as a serious party they must be serious about going into government but not at all costs.

Independent Verona Murphy elected in Wexford, as Fianna Fáil's Malcolm Byrne loses seat he won in November.

Also elected in Wexford was James Browne of Fianna Fáil and Paul Kehoe of Fine Gael.

not much news from the old sod this weather

parents have fled and only one or two friends hanging on, so my ground-level knowledge is pretty limited

fuckin verona murphy

well, thats a baddun right there

i moved away in 1994, so let be the low bar to beat tbf

How can the Irish people vote for Sinn Fein when I, a Guardian columnist, was once late to a dinner party in Hampstead in April 1992 because a discarded Burger King meal at a tube station was mistaken for a potential explosive device?

— Wolfgang La Rouge (@TreborRhurbarb) February 10, 2020

Last one I promise

Sinn Fein, which combine blood & soil nationalism with Corbynite economics, and have successfully targetted a venerable duopoly in Ireland, seem pretty populist to me.

— Tom Holland (@holland_tom) February 10, 2020

Labour's Alan Kelly and Jackie Cahill of Fianna Fáil have been elected on count 9 in Tipperary where the count is now complete.

Count 4 - Nobody elected.

We still await the next TD but Danny Healy-Rae is edging closer.

Danny Healy-Rae 12,090 - 855 short of quota.

Brendan Griffin 11,261 - 1,684 short.

Norma Foley of Fianna Fail - 7,934.

John Brassil of Fianna Fail - 6,089.

Norma Moriarty (FF) eliminated. Her 4,217 votes will now be distributed.

Carlow/Kilkenny has returned a Green too, as the last of its seats.

xp there's five seats there, plenty of room for two Healy-Ri

And Dublin Central finished:
MARY LOU MCDONALD, SF Count 1
NEASA HOURIGAN, GP Count 9
PASCHAL DONOHOE, FG Count 9
GARY GANNON, SD Count 9

9 seats for the greens is incredible, is there any possibility of another? It’s their best ever performance.

A green could get in in Wicklow (Matthews).

Simon Harris is now on 8,968

Jennifer Whitmore is on 8,208

Steven Mathews is on 6,299

Stephen Donnelly is on 5,781

greens were confident of ten-twelve last night, ive no idea what may have changed

And Dublin Central finished:
MARY LOU MCDONALD, SF Count 1
NEASA HOURIGAN, GP Count 9
PASCHAL DONOHOE, FG Count 9
GARY GANNON, SD Count 9

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 14:59 (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats the local for me- ill take that tbh

jesus theres 13 greens still in the runnin?!

unverified and no idea of the chances of any, but thats a brilliant performance with nine already in the bag

xp They're 4th of 5 in Wicklow, with 2 independents to go!
As NN says, they look pretty certain in Dublin South-Central - 3rd of 4
They're 5th of 5 in Dublin South-West, with transfers incoming from Labour, SD, and possibly an independent (though there's a PBP ahead of them that may soak up some of that - and a PBP behind)
Maybe Louth? They're 6th of 5, but 7 and 8 are both FG which is bad news for them.
6th of 5 in Laois-Offaly too, but that looks harder - they'd need about half of the transfers from the independent who's for the hop after next.
6th of 5 in Dublin Bay North, with SD and PBP ahead of them.

https://twitter.com/GarbageApe/status/1226883227358552064?s=20

Dublin South-Central in!

SF - Ó SNODAIGH AENGUS - Count 1
SOL-PBP - SMITH BRÍD - Count 2
GP - COSTELLO PATRICK - Count 6
I4C - COLLINS JOAN - Count 6

congrats to mods for disabling twitter embeds from xyzzzz__, can we get him entirely disabled itt?

They won’t get in in Laois-Offaly but they’ve done well there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQa1p-UX0AMqj34?format=jpg&name=large

PBP candidate with a Connolly badge, you love to see it.

HON THE GREENS

Lol XPs I will have thoughts on Irish politics! Just give a sec

[...] racism, you can argue a lot of things against SF but that’s not what motivates their voters.

Really? None of them? Three weeks ago, a SF councillor was suspended after declaring in a podcast that a ‘family man’ should be running the country, and that Leo Varadkar’s part-Indian heritage means that he is ‘separated from the history of’ Ireland. (His podcast, aptly, is named “No Shame”.)
My experience has always been that those kinds of attitudes are not uncommon in the SF organisation and core vote. Mostly, though, the people they put up for election are smart enough to keep their prejudices hidden.

To give some more context on the Green performance in Laois-Offaly, they didn’t stand candidates there until 2002. Before this election they’d never got more than 800 votes. Now they’ve polled close to 6000 - it’s a great result for them even if they don’t get a seat this time.

xp welcome to Ireland? Given the split to Aontú, idk why it’s a surprise that these views are held by some party members. Or, you know, the 30+% of the country that wanted to keep the 8th.

... you’re right, it’s no surprise at all.

Ó SNODAIGH AENGUS

Could this boy be Irish you think?

hes a

i dont know the man personally mind

fucking cunt

Christ you’d almost miss our usual politics people itt wouldn’t you?

A terrible man.

It was reported in February 2012, that Ó Snodaigh's office had used €50,000 worth of ink cartridges from the Oireachtas between 2007 and 2008.[16]

Big news in Clare, where four candidates were elected in one count (count 10). High profile TD Timmy Dooley of Fianna Fáil, who was at the centre of the Dáil voting controversy late last year, has lost his seat.

Elected after reaching the quota: Michael McNamara IND and Violet-Anne Wynne (SF).

I believe god promises in the Torah that it is okay to print personal documents at work but that seems overboard

i would no more say that "no sfer is racist" than i would say that of any ffer or any fger

every one of them has their rump that reflects that ireland is populated by yknow humans, shit ones an all

I think we do well to acknowledge it without condoning it, and demand a high standard of how our public figures represent these lamentable views without rushing to pretend that they dont exist nor demanding that they be erased from the picture rather than dealt with (however the fuck you do that)

the mistakes of other countries, other societies and most certainly other politics threads may instruct us

sf fucked yerman out. thats not insignificant.

Greens in with a shout in Dublin SW? That seat is returning a PBP candidate 2nd as well.

Christ you’d almost miss our usual politics people itt wouldn’t you?

― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 15:46 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

to whom do you refer, and I'll answer that candidly i promise

xp otm, it’s not exactly a difficult argument to make that their politics are not driven by racism in contrast with the shite they’re being compared with. Good thing I didn’t say “racism doesn’t exist and never has in SF” like?

xp much like the ghoul of Dublin Fingal, to speak of is to summon

dimmy tooley, fuck off and dont stop fucking off until you hear my whistle

yeah, towards the cliffs would work, on you go

That a grown man would be happy to be known as Timmy is a disgrace and an affront tbh.

Big news in Clare, where four candidates were elected in one count (count 10)

four candidates out of four at that - the heart swells.

THE son of Sinn Fein TD Aengus O Snodaigh has undergone major surgery after being stabbed following a row over a computer game.

Doctors were forced to operate on Fearghal O Snodaigh (18) after discovering that he sustained wounds to his chest during an altercation in his Dublin home in the early hours of yesterday morning.

Gardai were last night seeking to question the only suspect in the case, who sources say was very well known to the victim.

It's emerged that the two men were playing a computer game together when a row broke out at the property, located just off the Naas Road.

It is understood that the game was a football simulation.

these things will happen when one prick starts abusing the cutbacks

im fine with staying open on what motivates the sf voter

the old 12% and the new 10%

but a similar projection of what motivates the fg voter or the ff voter would be similarly fairly limited in what it could reliably tell us, i think?

a. projection, yr honour
b. anecdote, yr honour
c. what nefarious soup went into the beast, yr honour, need not determine the movement of the beats, mlud
d. theyre going in with ff, if a fraction of a fraction has shit views, so has every coalition govt or dail ever, really

is that fair enough, vh, without shouting you out of it or anythin?

The fella who looks to be sandwiched between two Healy-Raes is a Pa Daly, just saying.

snoddig can't help how he looks and im not in a position to thus criticise but any time ive been in his presence he does nothing in stance, vocal styling, motion nor general behaviour to dismiss the stereotype of a gurrier that a cause found, he is a deeply objectionable waste of shoes

Actually, speaking of that

Two sons of Independent TD Michael Healy-Rae have been found guilty of assault causing harm to a man during a night out in Kenmare on 28 December 2017.

containing the sentence

"I grabbed him in a head lock and asked him to stop with my right arm."

lads

have ye not been reading the papers or what

Sorry teacher

snoddig has a wife, you know

That’s a relief

For sure, dmac. I must admit to having been tempted by the low-hanging fruit of what I perceived as an overly broad generalisation.