Oscars 2020

thats so beautiful

xxp

Link on the fight choreography story?

here: https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/joaquin-phoenix-stunt-improvisation-made-joker-all-the-more-dangerous

the article itself curiously presents it as a virtue, but my local fight choreographer friend was livid when he read this.

opposing view: https://allagesofgeek.com/this-just-in/joaquin-phoenixs-unpredictable-fighting-improv-is-literally-a-danger-to-everyone-on-set/

sorry for derail!

no, that's helpful. I did two courses of stage combat in undergrad and saw at least one guy get his bell rung onstage when somebody thought "being in the moment" was cool. It's obviously not. If that extra were an inseminated cow, I'm sure he would have been much more respectful.

lol re: cow.

yeah I don't have a ton of stage combat experience but we did a "Rube Goldberg"-esque swordfight in my last production where there were lots of chain reactions and we were all freaked out about people missing their marks cos many of us were new to combat.

had someone decided to improv I'd have peaced, lol. perhaps figuratively and literally.

I liked phoenix's speech

People are saying this is all mea culpa because they didn’t give it to Roma last year.

People will say lots of things to undermine achievements.

Especially if the winner is part of a group they don’t care about.

A great year for movies, no?

Pretty good as usual... just not (mostly) these movies.

Have only seen about 3 clips, but I think my highlight wd've been Diane Ladd's reaction shot during LD's speech.

xxp yes very true.

Best year for movies since some time in the 90s. The sheer amount of snubs alone seems extraordinary.

there is a whole cinematic world beyond Oscar Movies, and claiming to have enough of a handle on it to declare "good years" would be difficult

but this was a good one bcz of The Souvenir, Little Women, and The Image Book (belatedly released) in particular

I feel like the lone Jojo Rabbit defender here but I was really glad Taika won screenplay for that. I wouldn't have picked it for anything else it was nominate for, particularly, but I'm glad it got something. I'm quite sure he did not expect to win at all, he seemed rather overwhelmed.

i agree that Greta should have been nominated for director though, leaving her out was stupid

1975 was a good year for movies.

I dozed off, is Joaquin still speaking?

good morning!

Have Joaquin and Renee deliver their acceptance speeches on a city street corner and watch as pedestrians cut a wiiiiide berth.

Just Joaq away

Renee

I'm not sure I'll live long enough to personally witness the day, but I can say with near certainty that some future best actor slate will feature a minimum of two competing Jokers.

xpost lol, btw

The Jokescars

By 2051 we will have seen Martha Wayne getting shot and dropping her pearls 37 different ways

I don't think I'll ever watch the awards again but I'm glad a genuinely defensible movie won for a change. That happens maybe once a decade on average?

Moonlight was a good winner but Parasite a much better one

tonight's winner is significantly inferior to Little Women and The Irishman btw

I even agree with this except for the "significantly" part but ... Jesus, a movie wins the Palme d'Or, tops the most authoritative critics' polls, and still somehow pulls out the best picture Oscar despite being in a foreign language and not even a little piece of you is heartened?

When was the last time a movie took both? iirc Marty was the first.

Parasite is the second.

So far as awful winners since they expanded the field, nothing quite matches the uselessness of the string from The King's Speech to The Artist to Argo.

Four decent to good pictures winning the top award in the last six years (12 Years a Slave, Spotlight, Moonlight, Parasite) strikes me as the best string of my life.

It happens every now and then that a film wins both Palm and Foreign Film Oscar. Amour in 12, Pelle the Conqueror in 89, The Tin Drum 79, A Man and a Woman 66, Black Orpheus 59, Gate of Hell 54. Think that's it.

I watched The Search yesterday and it honestly improves my impression of The Artist a bit, because at least it's not that joyless self-serious pile of crap. Still, Hazanavicius will never again make anything as good as the OSS 117 films.

not even a little piece of you is heartened?

No dear, bcz fuck the Oscars, now and forever.

The decisive factor, I suspect, was "own Trump." So, y'know, fine, I'm sure it will prevent his reelection.

I like the movie! I just have no idea what it was trying to say about class war.

What matters is what you take from it. I learned that from some of my colleagues while dancing the hokey pokey.

I like the movie! I just have no idea what it was trying to say about class war.

that true class war is impossible while the working class fight each other for scraps from the master's table and while the only better life they can visualise for themselves is becoming the master is basically how i break it down to an extent

agreed

surprised to see Morbs coming down on the side of movies with clear messages that are conveyed directly to the audience, aka classic oscars bait :)

OK, but i think the climactic ultraviolence muddled that, if so. xp

I watched the last award clip, and Bong and a female producer were credited onscreen. Who was the other woman who spoke?

you know about Western Union and messages, mh

imo the stabbing did not undermine or muddle it but reinforced it, then again i am always watching a movie hoping someone gets stabbed

it's hard to end a movie i've noticed. interesting first act then slide into oblivion is how 80% of movies go for me

"I watched the last award clip, and Bong and a female producer were credited onscreen. Who was the other woman who spoke?" the translator?

the climactic ultraviolence works on a story level as an inevitable eruption of the tension that's built up across the film between the three camps of characters

i think it also works on the more macro level of a story about class war because, while the causes of the violence seem obvious to us as an audience, they are treated by the media in the movie as basically an inexplicable novelty, to be covered in the news for a day or two and then completely forgotten, absorbed and neutralised by the dominant ideology - random acts of violence against the ruling class are absolutely not going to change the system in their own right

the ending lacked the cohesion of the setup, but the shot that made Parasite for me was the cut from that final nose-wrinkling sniff to the murder

to me it's just a simple progression. the allegory is never subtle, but it becomes a sledgehammer with the sewage leak and murderous mayhem is the next logical stop

akm, no, the first woman (who I assumed was the co-producer) had a translator, but the second woman spoke in English.

https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/from-parasite-to-bts-all-you-need-to-know-about-miky-lee-south-korean-entertainments-greatest-mogul-8025381.html

A violent climax of some kind was justified, but that was not my favourite part of the movie. I think of the violent endings of some of Edward Yang's movies in comparison, which are shocking and wrenching but without being lurid.