Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

makes sense, tulsi is a republican

damn, the guitarist is as bad as pete, nice drumming though

tulsi is no republican, she's just a self-aggrandizing narcissist

you don't have to be a republican to be fascist supporting islamophobe

it helps!

Also, Tulsi Gabbard is actually the cynical party switching power-grubbed that people accuse Elizabeth Warren of being.

^^^^^

I'm not sure if I buy that Tulsi has ever had a particular party allegiance. I think she might have actual stances, but I get kind of a culty grift vibe from her whole enterprise

absolutely

cd def see her on precious metals investment commercials in 5 years

Petition to change thread title to "Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now you’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier."

A young woman asks Biden "How do you explain the performance in Iowa and why should the voters believe that you can win a national election?"

Biden's response: "You ever been to a caucus?"

Woman says yes.

Biden: "No you haven’t. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier."

— Jon Ward (@jonward11) February 9, 2020

lying dog-faced pony soldier? that's soooo cute!

now imagining a bojack/mr. peanut butter hybrid

wtf

Also, Tulsi Gabbard is actually the cynical party switching power-grubbed that people accuse Elizabeth Warren of being.

^100%

one of my least favorite tendencies rn of the very online Left is that many appear willing to give Tulsi (and even Yang) fans the benefit of the doubt that they do not seem ready to extend Warren partisans. like i "get" that T & Y represent some vague notion of 'anti-establishmentism'. but for folks who argue (correctly) that we should be focused on policy above all else, this seems pretty dumb

and tbh everything about Tulsi just screams grifter to me

Maybe grifter, maybe her parents' reactionary Hindu surfer cult.

Anyways, I'm sympathetic to her pacifist leanings, but she lost me when fronting for Modi's Hindu nationalism and al-Assad's murderous regime.

reactionary Hindu surfer cult

My favorite REM side project btw

my least favorite tendencies rn of the very online Left

How many people does this actually encompass, though? I follow all the old Splinter people and some Jacobin people and Chapo people and so on down the left twitter line, and there's not some swelling undercurrent of "Yang and Tulsi are okay, really..."

I haven’t endorsed anyone because there’s more than one good progressive and everyone has to vote their conscience. But I submit to my supporters that someone with no real agenda and no real vision for our country beyond a vague notion of inclusion is nothing but a corporate tool

— Marianne Williamson (@marwilliamson) February 9, 2020

mostly it's leftbook folks but i've seen it on twitter as well.
and no, they're not pro-Yang or Tulsi (well, some kind of are pro-Tulsi? or were?), but do seem more forgiving of those respective fanbases than they are of Warren folks.

xpost

"voting present" was the final straw for a lot of my pro-Tulsi friends, though many had tapped out before that

Warren asked by a voter who will look at her fondly and unquestioningly, essentially "who will be your Mike Pence"?

"I already have a dog," Warren quips.

— Annie Linskey (@AnnieLinskey) February 9, 2020

seems like the michael tracey/greenwald wing that loves tulsi

I've only seen the anti-Warren stuff in the context of very online Warren people being the most ardently anti-Bernie outside of Buttigieg people. Yang and Tulsi fans aren't (as) anti-Bernie.

(Which is to say, it doesn't represent real world Warren voters intentions any more than it represents real world Sanders voters intentions.)

I had assumed the "lying, dog-faced pony soldier" story was satire but there's video: https://disrn.com/news/biden-calls-woman-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier?fbclid=IwAR0WlwCzTdKNiAltNrq3ySqm9573mecfUsDzRoQjUm2kO4kSKxJ2NTsr3S4

apparently it's a quote from a John Wayne film. lol fitting

elvis was a hero to most...

i got a letter from the government, the other day, i opened it and read it, it said they were suckers

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 June 2016 13:38 (1 hour ago) Permalink

it's always weird when the government sends that letter

― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 24 June 2016 13:44 (1 hour ago) Permalink

lmao

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/pete-buttigieg-calls-deficit-reduction-swiping-bernie-sanders-n1133206

This would kill in the 2000 New Hampshire primary.

what a fuckin mark

Buttigieg hasn't laid out a plan to significantly lower the national debt, which could require steep tax hikes or cuts in cherished programs like Social Security.

it begins!

and ends

well, this seems JUST FINE

Internal emails from Saturday night reveal that the party will not correct even blatant errors in the official handwritten tally sheets from individual precincts.

Those records, known as “caucus math worksheets,” could not be changed even if they contained mistakes, according to the lawyer for the Iowa Democratic Party, because they were a legal record, and altering them would be a crime.

“The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process,” wrote the party lawyer, Shayla McCormally, according to an email sent by Troy Price, chair of the party, to its central committee members. The lawyer said correcting the math would introduce “personal opinion” into the official record of results.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-2020/ct-nw-nyt-iowa-caucus-errors-20200209-vun7qmw54rdx5hitwm4zrg3m2m-story.html

DOING MATH CORRECTLY IS OPINION

what's that thing about pols vs facts again? The New Bipartisanship

Equations are like assholes

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/iowa-democratic-caucuses.html

I give up

Buttigieg hasn't laid out a plan to significantly lower the national debt, which could require steep tax hikes

No, it would require resetting tax rates for wealthy people back to where they were a mere two years ago. Deficit reduction isn't, to be honest, very important right now, but "we might have to repeal the very bad tax bill rammed through by the House GOP majority before it was thrown out by the voters" is not a problem for me.

Would that lower the national debt or just reduce the yearly deficit?

the mechanics of it aside, it's just patently idiotic from a messaging standpoint because for like 30 years Republicans have been driving up the deficit when they were in power and then as soon as they were out of power, cowing Democrats into swallowing the line that NOW we need to start thinking about reducing the deficit. rinse, repeat.

i knew i shouldn't have read that NYT piece about iowa. infuriating

The D.N.C. approved Iowa’s delegate selection plan, but left the state party to determine on its own how to collect and tabulate caucus results, Mr. Perez said, adding that the national party did not test the state’s app or set standards for training or preparation.

Mr. Perez said he was not responsible for what state parties and their leaders do.

“I do not conduct a performance evaluation of every party chair,” he said.

Asked whether the D.N.C. would increase its scrutiny of other caucuses run by state parties, including Nevada’s in less than two weeks, Mr. Perez said he would “implement all of the lessons learned,” but did not specify how.

the buck stops somewhere below me, probably way below me

what app is Nevada using? based on slot machines i'm sure

Tinder

xp they aren't using the Shadow app afaik

i'm pretty sure Shadow also worked on the Nevada app! from the NYT story on Iowa mess:

Just days before the caucuses, precinct leaders received their first instructions for downloading an app they were to use to record and send results.

The app was created by Shadow Inc., a company recommended to Iowa party officials by Democratic leaders in Nevada, who were working with it as well.

The chief executive of Shadow, Gerard Niemira, was a veteran of the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign, where he oversaw tech products like an app the campaign used to take advantage of the quirky math of caucuses and track results in real time.

but the thing is, iowa was kind of a "soft launch" and now all the problems with it are completely ironed out. extensive user testing has identified the main issues, which will be addressed in a timely fashion!

They're runnin' with the shadows of the night. Baby count the votes, you'll be all right.

does anyone even give a shit about the disorganization of the Iowa caucus anymore, or should I start a different thread when I decide I feel like posting about it? there have been some good articles from alternative media that have popped up in the last few days but I'm conversing enough about it locally that I haven't posted