bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

I suppose my point is that the requirement for party political membership is both a disincentive and a barrier to entry for local people who actually give a shit and might do some good, but don't identify with whoever they see wearing the appropriately coloured rosette. I know there are some good councils, probably more than we give credit for and chronic underfunding is part of that. They're essential to the life of this country but I get the sense that most people resent them and would prefer to ignore them.

I read Room At The Top a few years ago and the idea that anyone - even a deluded 50s twat of a social climber - might consider small town local government to be aspirational is just this weird time capsule thing now.

Receiving lots of e-mails from Labour and Momentum encouraging me to vote for London Assembly candidates but no actual ballot for me to do so, which was supposed to arrive by e-mail days ago.

Labour have put me in the wrong constituency, understandably as my postcode is divided between two I suppose, still annoying though.

Starmer announced on Twitter that he was cancelling campaign events this weekend "for personal reasons" (presumably around bereavement) and people laid into him. It's all gone a bit cunt-y, hasn't it?

It’s been like that for ages! That’s why Corbyn’s replies had this account.

https://twitter.com/corbynreplyguys

And there were only a couple of replies like that from what I saw - not convinced all the accounts were real either.

I get that. And I get that people should and do care about the future of the Labour Party.

I think what I'm thinking is *direct your anger towards the fucking Tories*.

This isn't solely a Labour member specific problem djh, it's everywhere. But I'm not going to direct my anger at the tories because the labour membership are about to elect a centrist melt leader, and you can act appropriately when someone has suffered a bereavement and still think they are a complete cunt and their politics suck shit you know!

good posts djh. labour currently looks like it has its head up its arse.

I get that. And I get that people should and do care about the future of the Labour Party.

I think what I'm thinking is *direct your anger towards the fucking Tories*.

it's time for the good old Labour Family to coalesce as a whole again, now the right wing have their boy in pole position!

it's been very heartening to see this thread get its plurality of voices back after that awful period of tankie/momentum dominance. some really cracking posts tonight lads.

Scores of Labour MPs are preparing to leave the party if Rebecca Long-Bailey wins the race to become leader, HuffPost UK has been told.

It is claimed as many as 50 will not serve under the shadow business secretary and would instead stage a walkout, according to party insiders.

Kier might have taken a brief timeout, but his campaign office is still pumping bilge like this out to the Huff post.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51432440

The Labour party has formally reported members of Sir Keir Starmer's leadership campaign team to the Information Commissioner, accusing them of hacking into the party's membership database, the BBC has learned.

Labour said it had written to Sir Keir and his three leadership rivals to "remind them of their obligations under the law and to seek assurances that membership data will not be misused".

"The Labour Party takes its legal responsibilities for data protection - and the security and integrity of its data and systems - extremely seriously."

It emerged last week the rival campaign of Rebecca Long-Bailey had circulated links to volunteers capable of allowing access to the membership database - her team say done innocently.

this is war!

#StormCíara
We go live to #HebdenBridge as Boris Johnson arrives to offer his support. pic.twitter.com/qJGARvtfI0

— Cromwell (@Cromwell606) February 9, 2020

They've been using the old WW2 air siren as a flood warning in Todmorden #fullenglishbrexit

The Starmer campaign had started sending emails etc to members on the 4th Jan this was before he had a sign up page on his website so the question was how was he getting these email addresses to send to members, Alex Barros-Curits has questions to answer

— Loki (@Lokinash06) February 9, 2020

Starmer has been playing dirty and low and outside the rules from the off.

AB-C was rapped for the same sort of thing when working for Burnham and Smith (says Loki).

I like how he posts: I can't be arsed with the hassle of writing anything up on this but here is my paypal link all the same!

Labour members: don't forget that CLP nominations, while necessary to get the contenders onto the ballot, do not equal votes in the leadership election. We are still one-member-one-vote. What this tells me is: vote for who you want, with no second option unless you're undecided. https://t.co/mdsJQq6f3H

— CrémantRésiste ✋🖐️🏾 🥂 (@0Calamity) February 9, 2020

yep I'm not fucking with any 2nd choice nonsense.

What would 'pick your #1 carefully' mean there? For the 10 people who picked ET/LN as their #1 and RLB as their #2, there doesn't seem to be any difference from them picking her as their #1.

i think she's only really talking to people wanting to vote for a non-tory/non-racist candidate of which is a field of one.

I think she meant to say pick your #2 carefully, otherwise it doesn’t make any sense

If people want Nandy for #2 they should remember in the last few days she's doubled down on her legit concernsracism, criticised Labour's union connections and criticised strikes in general and said if Scotland is to have a 2nd Indyref the whole UK should have a vote on it!

and said if Scotland is to have a 2nd Indyref the whole UK should have a vote on it!

lol this is truly some galaxy brain shit

i think she's only really talking to people wanting to vote for a non-tory/non-racist candidate of which is a field of one.

― calzino, 9. februar 2020 19:40 (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

But presumably those people would then be voting for RLB as first choice, so it doesn't matter then.

the membership polls say a lot of people need persuading to not vote for the centrist knight of the realm rn so it does matter

Right, but it'll only help Starmer if they are voting for centrist melts as first choice, so... It's aimed at centrists as a warning not to vote centrist as a second choice, because then a centrist might win? I don't get it.

you don't get the concept of an oily politician telling members he is going to pursue a centre-left agenda when has no intention of doing so? but that would be vmic of you!

or when I say no intention of doing so it is odds on he will break from pressure from the Labour right in about 3.6 seconds.

Again, we're talking about communicating with centrists here (the ones who can hurt RBL by ranking Starmer their second) So the problem is he is going to be too much to the left for them?

I kinda get the feeling you don't get how ranked choice voting works... Or are there some special English rules I don't know about? In that case, I really am sorry.

it's more about the spectre of that old New Labour mangerialism and other things including sexism and cowardice! A bloke who looks like a hedge fund manager/boss type prick and isn't too tainted with association with the left against against a continuity left woman. yes he looks electable is becoming a common echo.

Like when imago used to wish Corbyn could be replaced by someone with nice hair who is tainted by politics.

isn't!

But what has that got to do with ranked choice voting?

You literally don't understand what you post, do you? And then you resort to shitting on imago in your frustration...

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something and nothing maybe. There isn't really anyone worthy of a second pref vote in this competition it's RLB/Dawn Butler or death for me.

I remember having an argument with a neighbour who insisted on leaving food out for the foxes who would then wreck our bins all the fucking time

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simpering moron who jizzes himself over Nolan movies accuses me of not knowing what I'm posting lol!

Aaaaaand another personal attack, nice deflection, Rubio.

So says the king of the personal attack.

i wonder if it's...possible...that "think about your first choice" is meant for voters who slightly favour Starmer but are havering between him and RLB and might second choice her for some kind of 5D chess reasoning

that's the only way i can parse that sentence at all, otherwise yes it's a mistake either grammatically or logically or god knows

altho i agree with calz that Starmer ultimately will favour the Labour right i don't think that's at all clear and obvious to swathes of the electorate yet so there's still a lot of fudge and a lot of codespeak in many messages

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There might be somebody else that wants to get in to a conversation with Fred B about 2nd pref voting in the labour leadership election but that certainly isn't me. I've already said and maybe rambled and digressed a bit as well, that I'm only voting #1 choices for leader and dep. But telling someone they don't know what they are talking about because they don't want to analyse a tweet they've shared on their domestic politics thread is the type of sad twat you are I'm afraid Fred. There is no cure for your condition.

You posted a tweet and you literally don't have the slightest clue what it's about.

I tried getting into a discussion with you about it, honestly thought I might learn something, you started rambling, then all of a sudden attacking a completely different poster.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for you or something?

well nobody is paying me to type here, unlike when you gave 6 stars to Dunkirk you fucking joke!

Lol, jokes on you, nobody payed me for that review either

there is a surprise!

But yeah, I'm out. This thread is literally unable to muster the collective intelligence to figure out how the rules of the leadership election are going to work. So... Good luck, I guess. And good thing you really cracked down on facts and nuance.