Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

liz says something similar!

If Israel takes steps counter to peace, I am prepared to freeze or reverse the limited embassy functions that have moved to Jerusalem.

where did this CW come from? this is the first time i'm seeing the idea - before i thought the sanders position was "i would move it back" iow contingent on nothing. this is far more clever imo. moving it back immediately is unlikely to generate particularly useful or positive responses but you also don't want to be like "no i guess trump + bibi just win this round" so predicating it on punishment even tho that seems like a silly ideological approach (either you think it should be there or shouldn't) but it does serve this pragmatic political purpose.

disappointing obviously, but might keep AIPAC off his ass til September

lol wishful thinking

it's like nobody has encountered a metaphor in their lives, not everything is a literal statement particularly in oratory, jesus fucking christ. and the basic sentiment -- fundamentally, what kind of government are we; the answer to that question influences/determines the answer to all other policy questions -- is not only broadly correct, but one that basically everyone in the field is running on (with different answers on what the best kind of government therefore is)

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine)

The shape of my ass is the issue that affects every part of the sofa. https://t.co/foCZxeLn6K

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) February 7, 2020

katherine OTM

is this where I say that while pete sucks, the mass dunking on that "the shape of our democracy is the issue that affects every other issue" quote is completely fucking ridiculous. it's like nobody has encountered a metaphor in their lives, not everything is a literal statement particularly in oratory, jesus fucking christ. and the basic sentiment -- fundamentally, what kind of government are we; the answer to that question influences/determines the answer to all other policy questions -- is not only broadly correct, but one that basically everyone in the field is running on (with different answers on what the best kind of government therefore is)

Imo, it is broadly correct but also banal and vague. It is a statement that literally any politician in any democracy could make and doesn't amount to very much unless they are actually giving their answers on what the best kind of government is. Using lots of pretty words to say very little is p much what I get out of PB every time he speaks, which is why I rmde at this.

Mayor Pete asks - is our children learning?

Sund4r otm

So according to Chris Matthews calling the mayor out on his billionaire donor base is “swiftboating.”

lol he then demanded that Sanders surrogate explain why this issue is being raised "only now"—"isn't because this guy has caught up with you in the polls??!"

and guy was like "yeah." It's...an election?

I know it goes w/o saying but what a straight idiot this guy is

you're only ethical in elections if you're not trying to win. winning is poor optics

Sund4r otm

how I break it down to an extent

also, if it eats like a rat and fucks like a rat, then rat memes may be both apt and lol

did you really just post that

People just really showing some colors today wrt what they think is acceptable to say about anybody who might take a delegate or two from the bern

It’s fine to make jokes about any candidate for public office imo. Many of these jokes won’t be fair, but the Cinnabon tweet was funny.

Then again it’s insane that the UK has proceeded in a straight line to hard / cliff Brexit from one guy eating a badly-assembled sandwich, so I’m also in favour of a worldwide ban on photos of politicians eating.

Even a rat wouldn’t be dumb enough to come up with Pete’s Supreme Court plan.

nobody’s going to admit that an extremely poorly thought out “ratfucking” joke could come across as homophobic garbage in this context, ok

sic doin it 4 the lulz as he normally does

How would ratfucking be construed as homophobic?

sic posted:

if it eats like a rat and fucks like a rat, then rat memes may be both apt and lol

It only comes across as about 'fucking' if you've managed to live the last 45 years without knowing what 'ratfucking' means and I doubt that's true of anyone reading the Democratic primary thread, so...

I’m not keeping this up with you

tbf, the context of Pete being gay and "fucking like a rat" also occurred to me as a very badly formed mockery

Did enter my mind as well

Tho i doubt that was the intent

as a fag, I must say it didn't enter mine

some of you *may* share the same diagnosis of Bro Derangement Syndrome

none of you are watching the debate? (I'm not)

liveblog from a friend I mostly agree with:

"Yes, Klob, if you bring all your single digit voters with you that'll beat Trump, good call"

"Probably just a coincidence that the candidates arguing most against Medicare for All are the ones losing"

"Biden is America's embarrassing grandpa"

"lol everybody up there isn't even trying to hide how much they hate Pete"

"OK, Steyer gets the guillotine last after being for reparations"

"The billionaire should not be the second best person on that stage. That tells you everything about the rest of those fucking schmucks."

"Pete's meaningless gibberish is gonna give me a stroke"

(I think he survived)

what in the hell


I could do without the Buttigieg as rat meme that's picking up steam of late.

― 🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Friday, February 7, 2020 6:42 AM (fourteen minutes ago)

Between Tuesday and Thursday, I saw a bunch of memes on the theme on Buttigieg as rat. These were based on the posters' perceptions that his declaring that "By all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious," when no reliable indications of results existed at all, due entirely to the failure of implementation of an incredibly incompetent phone app funded by the local party and Buttigieg himself, the security of which was being actively compromised over and over again by a local Buttigieg campaign lead posting PINs on Twitter, had the potential appearance of political ratfucking.

I did not see any memes about Buttigieg engaging physically in sexual intercourse. If these were common, feel free to link them here so I can know some sites or posters to avoid on purpose instead of by chance.

The last "Pete as rat" meme I encountered was the Cinnabon one from the Boonta Vista guy. This rounded off the joking as far as my experience went, and is the sole citation for my reference to eating like a rat upthread.

I have never in my life been aware of a notion that the coitus of cis gay men resembles the coitus of rats, and if I had, I would have avoided that construction.

Having seen rats boning IRL, I still fail to see what the comparison centres on. To anyone who is offended by an assumption of a derogatory homosexual connotation in my post, my apologies, but I ask that you please FP one of my previous "4 the lulz" posts that has conditioned you to expect gross homophobia from me, instead of this genuine moment of ignorance of an existing meme.

what they think is acceptable to say about anybody who might take a delegate or two from the bern

I learnt about Senator Sanders' existence when James Adomian added Bernie to his range of comedic impressions, and it's less than a week since I last said in this thread that Senator Warren is my preference for President, so this doesn't even vaguely track.


Tom, I've said before that I value your presence and perspective on political threads. It's nearly always a bummer when you have rage-y and kinda-sorta-nigh-libel-ish outbursts at folks in whatever threads. Your real life is no doubt super-busy rn, and fuck knows everyone here is hanging on to frazzled nerves every day. But if you ever have a chance to slow down and express longer thoughts on party processes or the respective value of individual candidates, I'd enjoy seeing them, and I expect they'd make better contributions to the discourse than 90% of everyone's posts itt.

‘Fuck like a rat’ joke read as weird gay slam to this old too, but i often interpret u to be a channy edgedork so i figure im just old

Between Tuesday and Thursday, I saw a bunch of memes on the theme on Buttigieg as rat. These were based on the posters' perceptions that his declaring that "By all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious," when no reliable indications of results existed at all, due entirely to the failure of implementation of an incredibly incompetent phone app funded by the local party and Buttigieg himself, the security of which was being actively compromised over and over again by a local Buttigieg campaign lead posting PINs on Twitter, had the potential appearance of political ratfucking.

i'm sorry my bernie bros but this is some extremely dumb ass shit to be getting worked up over

I don't mind Pete's quasi-declaration as much as I mind the media running with his word and apparently helping to boost his NH polling

"By all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious," is not some beyond the pale political dirty tricks

& If you're sincerely concerned about how the media is spinning things then you've already lost

xpost!

it does read as very nothingburger to me

indications probably pointed to him doing better than expected, since it turns out he was winning. So yeah, it's insane to keep it up. And to expect other posters to connect 'fucks like a rat' to that non-story rather than as a slam on his sexuality only shows sic has spent too long in an echo chamber. No hard feelings, sic, we all make mistakes, nobody gets my hilarious puns based on Danish grammar either. But I think you read too many Bernie camp tweets ;)

it it possible to respond to a specific poster's transgressions without constantly extrapolating the blanket "you berniebros"?

cuz it's fucking maddening, heightens defensiveness, and only metastasizes the FB/twitter cancer we're pretty much universally opposed to itt and others

I said “my bernie bros“ because bernie supporters are my people

My irascibility is a critical element of my character but I appreciate sic’s, er, advice on how to post (also I strive to be succinct and mostly post from Zing these days)

I think Hadrian is right that picking hills to die on is stupid and bad and I’ll work on being less annoyed by certain people (as one normally does)

Killfile is cheating though

I'm just exhausted at the confines of morally acceptable behavior that will not get you mocked being drawn closer and closer and closer and closer in, too close for any person to exist, because a morally neutral behavior is being done by someone who is Bad. like, the other day a meme was going on making fun of the way pete eats, which is apparently unacceptable somehow? (I already hate eating in public for fear of how I look doing it; this did not help)

The only thing that matters to some people is whether you support Bernie’s (imagined) platform 100%; the less you are exactly like Bernie, the more acceptable it is to make fun of you in the most juvenile middle-school-cafeteria ways; the result: LOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

But by ostensible Democrats, rather than frothing Tories.

I just wish that people would ask themselves, before posting any kind of dunk, "do other people do this behavior/possess this trait?", "are those other people also Bad?" and then, if the answers to those questions are yes and no, not dunk on that particular behavior

new board description

we should dunk people not by the eating of their sandwiches, but by the content of their character?

Some people happily embrace politics as a surrogate for war, where every kind of aggression finds its natural expression. The great majority of those people seem to be men.

This is cold as hell. pic.twitter.com/88zm7DofKS

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) February 8, 2020

oh yikes

it's a good ad

lolll

Extremely funny but too late

Biden's claims for Buttigeig's record are accurate. His claims for his own record are highly simplified and inflated. But it's an effective ad and, yes, cold as hell.