Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

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I could do without the Buttigieg as rat meme that's picking up steam of late.

― 🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Friday, February 7, 2020 6:42 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

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one of my friend's husbands is a politician who thinks the real reason we should be worried about a legit buttiggreufug candidacy is his senior adviser lis smith, who seems to have caused all of our problems http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/lis-smith-pete-buttigieg-2020-campaign.html

i still don't really see it but i'm concerned

lol it's early and i think i suggested my friend has multiple husbands

If you can't just choose one...

Fred it would be worrying if we had run-offs but we don't

Bernie is outpolling Trump in the hypothetical general, and I suspect that gap wld widen after nomination when people see how deftly he swats down eggs-in-one-basket "Socialist!" attack... I think most Dem hedging on Bernie has to do with a caricature of his policies and that exposure will mitigate that

Well, we'll see.

Right, but 538 shows about a 1 in 4 chance of nobody getting a majority, and then it's pretty bad if Sanders can't create a compromise? Except on their podcast they speculated that in that case it would probably be Warren, so I guess I should be happy...

He's never faced an opponent like DJT before.

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fwiw the bernie hedging I’m exposed to is based on his inability to prevent his supporters from being public dickheads and the fact that the GOP are absolutely drooling over the prospect of running against him

He's never faced an opponent like DJT before.

FWIW the Trump camp has been trying out anti-Bernie messaging recently and it's the same rote Victims Of Communism shit ppl have been trotting out since forever

I really don't know what else they'll have? he can't outflank him on populist terms, they'll probably be reduced to weakly coded antisemitism and whose wife is hotter

i think bernie would pretty obviously kick trumps ass across multiple continents at least rhetorically, whether that translates to an electoral victory god who fuckin knows. but the republicans seem to not have the shit to smear him with

anyway i am donating to the sanders campaign this morning

xp I've been impressed w/ Bernie's messaging on this front, he's handling it better than in 2016, fine-tuning the line that "we *already* have socialism, for corporations"

he can't outflank him on populist terms, they'll probably be reduced to weakly coded antisemitism and whose wife is hotter

I thought you were referring to Trump lol

who knows maybe Bernie will show he can't take a punch when it gets ridiculous, which it soon will

but the way he's campaigned so far it's hard to imagine Trump landing many

The best possible response to Trump is to just say "Shut up, asshole," and go right back to talking about what you were talking about. Sanders is one-note enough to make this work.

something tells me Bernie has heard "communists are bad" attacks before

one thing I've heard coworkers say is that Bernie comes off "too angry" which is like...uhhh yeah, I'm glad he's angry! one of my least favorite things about politics is the knowledge that our representatives are all buddies behind closed doors who treat their jobs like sports to be won or lost, while you've got one side strongarming their way into rapist Supreme Court justices, leaders who are above the law, and hundreds of environmental protections dismantled solely for the benefit of Republican donors, and then you've got guys like Biden & Schumer just going "aww brush it off, we'll get 'em next time, you know I really think Republicans are gonna come to their senses about this"

if you are running for president right now and are *not* angry gtfo

I think Trump’s line on Bernie is going to be that he’s a crazy socialist who’s going to put the government in charge of everything and wreck the economy.

And take away your guns the day after inauguration
And release all the terrorists from prison
And let Mexicans kill your family
And make it illegal to talk to your doctor

He would say that about any democrat

As least he won't call him "Mini".

Bernie hog truthers concur

^^^ would make a good passphrase

Angry Non-Democrat Socialist is about the best candidate one can hope for

Bernie should take "Shup Up Asshole" and run with it—buttons hats stickers etc

Whether they’d say it about any Democrat and whether people would believe it about any candidate are two different questions.

he can't outflank him on populist terms

He most certainly can as long as you understand that in the American political context "populism" means "siding with the white working man against the socialist elite class who distribute free money and phones to their darker-skinned minions from the windows of their electric limousines while you struggle alone."

I don't think the electability case for Sanders is that he'll appeal to people for whom this kind of "populism" is appealing and who would otherwise vote for Trump; it's that idealistic voters under 35 will show up and vote for the Democrat who otherwise wouldn't vote at all. It's not a crazy case!

Whether they’d say it about any Democrat and whether people would believe it about any candidate are two different questions.

― Mordy, Friday, February 7, 2020 10:22 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

come on man.

here's a public policy poll that found that 41% of trump voters believed that hillary clinton is "the devil" and 17% aren't sure one way or the other

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PPP_Release_NC_80916.pdf

they'd certainly believe it about Warren despite her indulgence of apocalyptic Israel

Last time I asked who people would vote for if it came down to Buttigieg and one other, people were overwhelmingly pro biden.

What about if it came down to Buttigieg vs Bloomberg?

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caek, you should make that into an especially depressing poll thread

that'd be fuck Blue no matter who

I’d have to go Buttigieg over Bloomberg.

yeah, gotta go with pete's consultant-molded milquetoast-itude to bloomberg's genuinely regressive social policies

...followed by armed struggle

for those who want it

armed struggle for some, miniature american flags for others

really some nightmare scenarios become possible if biden doesn't cling on as the centrist oaf.

nightmare scenarios such as... Buttigeig/Klobuchar 2020?

such as trump cruising to re-election

Bloomberg/Steyer 2020: We Own You, Bitch

Bernie's custom campaign shirt will have a silhouette of Prince and say "Donnie, Don't Talk to Russia"

is this where I say that while pete sucks, the mass dunking on that "the shape of our democracy is the issue that affects every other issue" quote is completely fucking ridiculous. it's like nobody has encountered a metaphor in their lives, not everything is a literal statement particularly in oratory, jesus fucking christ. and the basic sentiment -- fundamentally, what kind of government are we; the answer to that question influences/determines the answer to all other policy questions -- is not only broadly correct, but one that basically everyone in the field is running on (with different answers on what the best kind of government therefore is)

inspirational stuff