Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

It's somewhat amusing watching a bunch of people who by-and-large define themselves by their divergence from the mainstream bend over backwards to invent nefarious reasons why a significant portion of the mainstream wouldn't agree with them on something rather than chalking it up to people having divergent value systems/priorities combined with the human propensity to fuck up everything we touch.

we elected a president who was /head/ of the cia and he was somehow still better than his shithead non-cia son

it's a low bar

New statement from the @iowademocrats responding to @TomPerez. It seems to be pushing back on the idea that Perez can even request the recanvass. "Should any presidential campaign in compliance with the Iowa Delegate Selection Plan request a recanvass, the IDP is prepared." pic.twitter.com/jVDlQXs5oJ

— Brianne Pfannenstiel (@brianneDMR) February 6, 2020

as far as cia-associated republicans go, Pete is somewhere in the middle

:P

haha I like that sassy pushback xp

afaict Adam Johnson exists to give credibility to ppl who complain about berniebros

his pod Citations Needed is A+

[citation needed]

Citations Needed can be good but there's a rigidity of thought there that I find annoying

anyway the good news for everyone is that the actual Sanders campaign isn't doing anything (AFAICT) to stoke the insanity and if anything is working to undercut it and emphasize the need to move on

good

My assumption is that there have always been errors in the Iowa caucus, given the complexities of the system. We're just more likely to know about them this time around because a) the raw vote totals are now being made public, which is leading people to analyze the data more closely, b) social media makes it easier to disseminate on-the-ground reports and photos of precinct worksheets, and c) there are a lot more viable candidates, and so more potential for error in each precinct. But I'd be surprised if caucuses in the past weren't faulty in similar ways that just never came to light.

lmao

Nope, the needle is perfect and it only fails when we fail it, as we did tonight https://t.co/hxJ5QwWqsF

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) February 6, 2020

the needle and the damage done

My assumption is that there have always been errors in the Iowa caucus, given the complexities of the system. We're just more likely to know about them this time around because a) the raw vote totals are now being made public, which is leading people to analyze the data more closely, b) social media makes it easier to disseminate on-the-ground reports and photos of precinct worksheets, and c) there are a lot more viable candidates, and so more potential for error in each precinct. But I'd be surprised if caucuses in the past weren't faulty in similar ways that just never came to light.

We've detailed in this thread multiple times when it's taken over a week to tabulate the caucus results within the past 20 years

Pete's camp apparently whinging about how SDEs were counted for satellite caucuses. Hopefully he gets wiped out in the next couple states before they even return his calls.

Citations Needed can be good but there's a rigidity of thought there that I find annoying

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:06 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I jokingly responded to one of Adam's tweets without irony quotes and he fucking lit into me it was wild

The Best Little Boy in the World is gonna get crushed in NH and especially SC, I think. AZ's harder to read but I would think Sanders' labor credentials and latino outreach will help him there.

i don't think he's getting crushed in NH and if biden does badly there too then he won't get completely wiped out in SC

tbf getting anything higher than fourth was a victory for Buttigieg and -- yes, I'm vaguely defending him here -- he was vague about what victory he won

The semi-sentient alien gas being from planet Middlebrow was expressing its victory in finally throwing off the prison of its human skin-suit.

Because mistakes and general bumblefuckery will occur throughout the dem primaries (because this is an endeavor being conducted by human beings), it may behoove any and all official spokespeople, in the course of demands by the press and public to explain how such mistakes could possibly have occurred, to have on hand a random assortment of 5-10 much bigger fuck-ups committed by the POTUS which they can simply recite as a response. It's a bottomless well so this tack should easily carry them through all the way to November.

Extremely weird shit, the campaign has incentive to move on but any adult with a brain should want basic answers about Iowa.

We HAVE the goddamn answers! Sanders and Buttigieg got roughly the same number of votes, and did better than all the others! Warren came in a solid third and showed her campaign is for now still viable! Biden did substantially worse than expected! Those are the basic answers! They are not in dispute! Whether Buttigieg or Sanders got a half a percent more or less than the others is not important! asdfshdjflas;hdljhdskhdkjg

otm

Sanders and Buttigieg got roughly the same number of votes

A 6k lead on the initial choice strikes me as not "roughly the same."

don't forget the new Klobumentum

A 6k lead on the initial choice strikes me as not "roughly the same."

Great point! The numbers of initial votes are also reported and are also not in dispute!

this is probably good news for bernie more than any other candidate

Eugene reports that this includes senior people in Yang's HQ, including the national political and policy directors and the deputy national political director. Laid off staffers said they got at least a month's severance https://t.co/S2AGZ4Hn9I https://t.co/hswzvnPWMT

— Zach Montellaro (@ZachMontellaro) February 6, 2020

the one Yang Gang guy I know on FB (who apparently voted for Jill Stein in 2016) has moved on to being a Bernie fanatic complaining about how Iowa was rigged by Pete, fwiw

did he do the MATH

call me old fashioned but I always thought the whole point of iowa was for whoever placed 2nd and 3rd to make up some bullshit about how they actually wona moral victory. does nobody else remember joementum (a two way tie for third! aka fifth place!)?

We've detailed in this thread multiple times when it's taken over a week to tabulate the caucus results within the past 20 years

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, February 6, 2020 1:22 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think I missed those posts. But yes, the 2012 Republican caucus is a good example. I honestly don't remember hearing very much about that at the time, so maybe the difference is that everyone's nerves are constantly frayed now (and some of us are on Twitter too much).

We HAVE the goddamn answers! Sanders and Buttigieg got roughly the same number of votes, and did better than all the others! Warren came in a solid third and showed her campaign is for now still viable! Biden did substantially worse than expected! Those are the basic answers! They are not in dispute! Whether Buttigieg or Sanders got a half a percent more or less than the others is not important! asdfshdjflas;hdljhdskhdkjg

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, February 6, 2020

booming post

did he do the MATH

― caucus fricked iowa account (mh)

he put up some long Youtube link that you couldn't pay me enough to watch

I refuse to believe that Tom Perez or anyone working for him could organize a "piss-up in a brewery," as our British friends say, but the public call to "recanvass" is at least one for chaos. If you support any Democrat you should run him out of town on a rail.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) February 6, 2020

did he do the MATH

He did the monster math

do we have proof that dick_nixon isn't a Perrin sock puppet account

He can't be because he's way funnier.

actual lol ymp

Vermin Supreme Blocks Buttigieg's Car In NH

Did Bloomberg's campaign hire the Mike Gravel teens?

Trump was in rare form during his post-acquittal speech. pic.twitter.com/jq8NTTn5yd

— Team Bloomberg (@Mike2020) February 6, 2020

So far all I've seen from Mayor Mike's campaign is dumb shit talking stuff like this. Not that I have expectations, but it's telling about the level what he's aiming for.

Watched the first few seconds; that's sub-Colbert, you're slandering the Gravel teens.

aw man now i miss the Gravel teens

Here we go

the Biden campaign is running out of money and the candidate isn't even appearing personally in New Hampshire at the moment https://t.co/QG5UK7Mlah

— ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) February 7, 2020

He received four pieces of mail from the Biden campaign. Only one mentioned the economy. The rest were about Trump, civility and international affairs, issues that did not move voters, he said.

Harpootlian said a third-place finish would make Biden “the comeback kid,” Bill Clinton’s description of himself after the then-governor of Arkansas battled to a second-place finish here in 1992.
“Then he goes to Nevada — and then thank God he comes to a normal state,” he said, referring to the fourth-voting state, South Carolina.

So Nate Silver's prediction machine now has Bernie as the favorite, with a 50% chance of winning the nomination.

had my eyes glued to dumb election shit all week, at great expense to my own health and personal happiness, and i had no clue there was a debate tomorrow

Why’d you do that

It's delightful that the most establishment-friendly candidate is the one that's cash-strapped and flailing the most obviously.