Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

idk, I had precisely the same question. Glad someone asked.

I mean I would also say that the polling is shit, this is also a factor to consider, however if your business is basically talking about polls well um

This passage has me levitating pic.twitter.com/eWCieyRtPw

— Edward Ongweso Jr (@bigblackjacobin) February 6, 2020

haha, or 4th, teetering on the edge of slipping to 5th behind amy klobuchar

The GOP (or at least Trump, who, whether they like it or not, is now essentially the rapidly-disintegrating brain that drives the GOP's basic motor functions) do prefer Biden to be the nominee, yes? Among the viable alternatives, anyway?

they say they prefer Bernie

If they prefer Biden, they've really chosen a weird way of showing it, what with the high profile attempt to discredit him through his son

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on “Fox & Friends” on Thursday that media is "totally misreporting Iowa” and that Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., won the state's caucuses.

GOP 100% wants Bernie

careful what you wish for

If they prefer Biden, they've really chosen a weird way of showing it, what with the high profile attempt to discredit him through his son

― Frederik B, Thursday, February 6, 2020 11:15 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kinda underscores my thought process, inasmuch as he's (legitimately or not) the most tarnished of the frontrunners at this point and theoretically the easiest to beat as a result.

Again, though, I don't even know at this point how much intentional GOP political strategy matters going forward. Like I'm sure the party has its own projections and analysis that inform their own preferences, but Trump is in the big boy seat now. BEEP BEEP!

the Nazis absolutely want to run against the Jewish socialist

GOP is run by idiots, not sure how much value there is in divining who they want to face.

Enough is enough. In light of the problems that have emerged in the implementation of the delegate selection plan and in order to assure public confidence in the results, I am calling on the Iowa Democratic Party to immediately begin a recanvass.

— Tom Perez (@TomPerez) February 6, 2020

do we know what he means by recanvass?

i believe he means "do something that will stop bernie being declared the winner today"

presumably gather all the sheets of paper and recalculate the SDEs from the recorded vote counts

"recanvass" is unsurprisingly vague

yeah that's my reading, xp.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/163244-what-exactly-is-a-recanvass-its-not-the-same-as-a-recount-but-it-could-really

i believe he means "do something that will stop bernie being declared the winner today"

bernie is likely to win the nomination the "evil dnc will do anything to stop him" stuff is nagl

god yes I am so sick of seeing that on FB

like do what you want but if you want to win voters i'd suggest cutting out all the conspiracy and outsider shit it won't play if you're serious about uniting the party behind sanders

All Bernie really has to say is "Well, the delegate results are still up in the air, but it looks like we won the most votes--on to New Hampshire."

What I get out of that Perez tweet: "Waiter, I don't like how this was cooked. Take it back to the kitchen and tell them to do it right."

almost certainly the correct subtext of the perez tweet is "this whole rollout has been a clusterfuck that makes Dems look bad but there's no reason for it bc we have a paper trail we can calculate it exactly let's take our time and do just that"

i don't believe there's a conspiracy in iowa, but this is literally the worst possible time for the DNC to throw chum in the water. they've had all week to express concern. pretending that the DNC is doing a good job doesn't serve anyone.

no one including the DNC thinks they're doing a good job. but you know who this will reflect poorly on ultimately? whoever wins the nomination and becomes the head of the party.

I don't understand what a recanvass is *in the context of a caucus*.

probably just recount all the results from each caucus is my guess

there's pretty strong evidence at this point that we won't be able to reconstruct the true results from the paper trail, because it's obviously very close, and there are examples of obviously wrong *paper* results (not just transcription errors as the results were passed up the chain).

no one including the DNC thinks they're doing a good job. but you know who this will reflect poorly on ultimately? whoever wins the nomination and becomes the head of the party.

― Mordy, Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:45 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

do you want people to pretend it's not happening?

guess what the caucus system is extremely stupid. luckily it's only a couple stupid states that do them.

you know who this will reflect poorly on ultimately?

you are forgetting that the next four months will wipe every vestige of any memory of this from the public's mind, which has very poor retention for such details.

actually yeah i think if ppl weren't so fucking crazy about the results of one tiny undemocratic primary in a tiny unrepresentative state it wouldn't be such a big deal. xxp

I find it exceptionally hard to see how a recanvass will fix it all https://t.co/O8fhYeICSF

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) February 6, 2020

this isn't going to help.

aimless: making a big deal out of how incompetent the DNC is and how corrupt they are will inevitably influence how ppl think about them and it will ultimately bite whoever leads the party

yeah people should stop making a big deal about how the DNC are incompetent and corrupt

All Bernie really has to say is "Well, the delegate results are still up in the air, but it looks like we won the most votes--on to New Hampshire."

This is more or less what I'm expecting.

yeah people should stop making a big deal about how the DNC are incompetent and corrupt

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:49 PM (fifty-seven seconds ago

And this thinking depressed turnout for Clinton in 2016

in b4 "clinton depressed turnout on her own"

anyway, what a clusterfuck, glad we're all experts here

I'm already depressed.

National media and the three top finishers have moved on to New Hampshire. It hasn't fazed me after Tuesday.

Wasn't the primary between Hilary and Barack rife with issues too?

by all means the primary should move on. purely in delegate terms this is not going to make any difference.

but "everyone pretend the DNC is good at facilitating the improvement of the democratic party's political platform, financial health and electoral chances because it's an election year" feels like "now is not the time to politicize a tragedy" after a shooting spree. _now_ is exactly the time, because it not now then we all know it will be the same next time.

^OTFM

none of these fucking idiots should be allowed near any kind of presidential campaign

people are going to continue failing upwards unless they're held to account precisely when other people are paying attention.