Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

Results in Washington and especially for small local elections in Seattle are often unclear for days.

the short of it is everyone is fucking furious because we didn't get results immediately because we're all a bunch of babies glued to the phone desperate for hot takes and narrative

this is the best account i've read of what actually happened with the app: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/04/iowa_caucus_software/

Results in Washington and especially for small local elections in Seattle are often unclear for days

Australian federal election results took three weeks in 2010 due to a hung parliament, and nearly two weeks in 2016 due to votes being so close that an audited recount was required.

(Motherfuckers lost their whole minds screaming on internets when one of the three independent MPs that resolved the hung parliament used his announcement speech to suggest that this showed that it was worth considering electoral reform to better represent the will of the people, instead of him just taking 2 seconds to announce that he would kowtow to one of two center-right parties.)

the short of it is everyone is fucking furious because we didn't get results immediately because we're all a bunch of babies glued to the phone desperate for hot takes and narrative

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:33 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this sounds like something my dad (70) would say. it's also not true.

I would happily wait 2.5 months while steadfast volunteers count and recount paper ballots by hand if it means avoiding unnecessary, self-owning clusterfucks like this in the future. Like have any of the stupid motherfuckers involved in this decision making process ever actually used technology before? Because technology is often real fucken dumb and bad.

this is the best account i've read of what actually happened with the app:

yeah this is good. but an especial infosec jfffffffffffffffffffc at the 70-and-80 year olds who couldn't get the app to work instead going to facebook to share details of the problems they were having.

there's probably room for someone to run and win on a single issue platform of "fire all Democratic Party career apparatchiks into the sun." if you have been working for them four years or less and have an email trail of your politely suggesting to higher-ups that they are fucking everything up very badly, you get to stay out of the capsule.

this thread is good context

If you want to understand what happened with Shadow and the failure of the Iowa Caucus app you have to understand how electoral campaign tech work is done and funded. Let me tell you a story to make sense of it.

— rabble (@rabble) February 4, 2020

i hope this tweet is a joke

The caucus app is firebase / react app built by one senior engineer who’s not done mobile apps and a bunch of folks who were very recent code academy graduates who as of a couple months ago worked as a prep cook for Starbucks and receptionist at Regus.

— rabble (@rabble) February 4, 2020

dumb and bad

Fp'd because you misspelled "bad and hated"

I spent easily a half hour today impatiently drumming my fingers and waiting for my company's technology to stop fucking around so I could do any of the work they were paying me to do. I wouldn't trust technology as far as I could throw it (and let me tell you, even with my skinny little chicken arms, I skipped that dumbass malfunctioning smartphone halfway across the fucken lake that one time, and it was glorious).

Thank you for the fp, sic, I will tighten up my game

Having watched for the first time, I can now see the component of in-person persuasion that is felt to be important with the Iowa caucuses, and the argument that it shouldn't change

Ultimately though it would be a lot easier just to have ranked choice voting

we're all a bunch of babies glued to the phone

*whistles Dixie*

a bunch of “ELECTION SECURITY” points are popping up in articles and it’s actually one of the few good things about the dumb caucus system, assuming the results actually make it on the damn page

if you stay to the end of the caucus, you know the exact numbers and can look at the website. if they don’t line up, then you cry foul. literally the one thing having numbers counted in the room and announced is good for

― caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:11 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

voting publicly while being yelled at is only more secure than private voting in a very narrow sense.

A representative of the candidate with the fewest votes at each caucus site should be put in the stocks.

Except for that lone Michael Bennett guy, he looked cool.

nobody yelled at my caucus!

my coworker saw a single Bloomberg guy at his, and tried to get the guy’s attention. he just wanted to meet him and ask what was up with him

the person who spoke on behalf of Yang seemed vaguely familiar but I wasn’t close enough to see. despite her ending her short ad by blurting “yang gang!!” I find myself wondering if she’s single

yang gang,/bernie bro dating app... GO!

unfortunately the app is also developed by Shadow Inc

Thank you for the fp, sic,

paper ballots would allow for a recount on this

for that matter I've always found the painting in Picard's ready room to be rather lame
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41kat8xhScL.jpg

lol

wrong thread or idk any more

yeah whoops

can't believe how badly the iowa dem tech team screwed up the individual painting meter data

Antonio Gramsci, Prison Notebooks, Volume II
Edited and translated by Joseph A. Buttigieg pic.twitter.com/pUc02EnDeZ

— Viewpoint Magazine (@viewpointmag) February 4, 2020

That ready room painting is titled "Klobmentum."

And the artist's name? Albert Marley.

Think about it.

let's all meditate to the enterprise engine noise

"Are we still somehow stuck at 62%?"

BI has had a higher percentage for hours which showed Sanders edging out Pete. Either CNN don't give fuck now that Trump is talking or ...whatever.

me on this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofMJ6cwzLM

who is the more left candidate: 2008 obama or 2020 buttigieg

similar verbal pudding

Is this supposed to mean something? https://t.co/0Xo6vzVwcq

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) February 5, 2020

i have a translation here

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fliberalbionicelbow.files.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F01%2Ftrumpnation-the-smiler-fucks-with-you.png&f=1&nofb=1

(i got banned from going live on facebook for a month after posting that image during the uk election btw)

^^ that looks more like Rory S.! #plotthickens

the end is the beginning is the end

So bernie won a decisive victory in the first round, but then they had a second round and he still was winning, but then they gave extra weight to rural counties so he narrowly fell short (for now). Awesome. Just like when Hillary won by three million votes but President Caligula was sworn in anyway.

I suspect when the supposedly larger/less-rural caucuses finally get counted it will be a slight lead for Bernie in all senses but the delegate count will probably be a tie or like a difference of 1 so it hardly matters now. Still, the idea that anyone is reporting this as Pete "leading" in any real sense is hilarious. Whatever, onto NH and elsewhere.

I’m sure there might be other cases where electoral weirdness helps bernie but that isn’t the point. These arcane rules put people off the political process.

Pete’s victory lapping is pretty obnoxious.

The whole caucus process is arcane and bothersome and probably helping Sanders, yes

Also, Pete B is awful, yes

You can't spell BELONGING without some of the letters in BUTTIGIEG

going to be fun as hell watching liberals who've been (correctly)screaming bloody murder about the EC for the last 3 years all the sudden be real cool with extra weight in rural counties

It's really really funny if Buttigieg wins, but misses the usual Iowa bounce because of the screw up :) I really can't see any path for him from here on out, South Carolina is going to go for Sanders if Biden collapses.

I think in the past they have only released the state-delegate equivalent percentages, but this year they have also released the first and second alignments. This was done in the interest of transparency, but if it turns out that one candidate wins the SDE % without having won either of the alignments (as may well happen with Buttigieg), then I think it invites distrust of the caucus process (and perhaps the party generally).

Isn't that a good thing, though? Caucuses are awful

these are only my ~feelings~ but idk seems like the arbitrary "importance" grafted onto the iowa caucus by the media has been pretty diminished by this total fuck up

It doesn't fucking matter who "wins" Iowa. It's a trivial number of delegates. There is no meaningful difference between having 1% more or having 1% less because this is not an election, only a tiny part of one. It means as much as who "wins" a particular county in a governor's race.

What does matter is who looks they have a real campaign and who looks like they're done. What we learned is that none of Sanders, Biden, Warren, and Buttigieg are done. And I thought Warren and Buttigieg might look done after Iowa.