Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

guess people took his advice on voting for someone else

Look I know Trump is pretty awful but I am pretty sure he isn't able to squeeze four extra years of being awful into the next nine months

why not, he's squeezed 16 into three years already


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hey while we're stamping out conspiracy theory fires ITT, how about let's not try and monetise fellow posters on behalf of a company that's committing real actual election fraud every day?


fwiw my coworker made an excellent point that we really need a federally funded nonpartisan election agency that can provide infrastructure and services to any sort of election across the country

he was looking at it from a computer and operational security perspective, but I think it logistically makes sense

be careful, something like this radical proposal could lead to 100% voter enfranchisement or similar

my new proposal for politics is that you're only allowed to go from private sector to politics exactly once

stipulation: you have to live in public housing forever if you leave politics

we need Oregon style vote-by-mail for everyone, ASAP

tempted to FP for racism but can't in full conscience, given the qualifier

I honestly believe that having the option to go to a polling place for a barbecue and cake stall, on a sunny Saturday morning, as well as voting by mail or voting early, drives both actual turnout and voter engagement.

thread title proven wrong btw

irl giggle

what's up w/ WaPo's numbers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/iowa/

I honestly believe that having the option to go to a polling place for a barbecue and cake stall, on a sunny Saturday morning, as well as voting by mail or voting early, drives both actual turnout and voter engagement.

OK as long as it's either/or I can get w/this :)

tempted to FP for racism but can't in full conscience, given the qualifier

I honestly believe that having the option to go to a polling place for a barbecue and cake stall, on a sunny Saturday morning, as well as voting by mail or voting early, drives both actual turnout and voter engagement.

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hmm, wow that sounds good, but is it really as good as a bunch of people wandering around a gym for several hours (excluding those who don't have the time to hang out in a gym for several hours on a weeknight, and discriminating against those who are introverted/don't like hanging out with weirdo strangers for hours) while some bald guy with glasses and a goatee (because it's always a bald guy with glasses and a goatee) individually counts every vote by pointing at people and then shouting out the results to another bald guy with glasses and a goatee at the front of the room by a whiteboard?

It is a big deal, right? It would be insane if there's any caucases in 2024

How about we replace caucuses with trips to The Caucasus Mountains?

Okay, lol:


https://jacobin-v2.positiondevapp.com/2020/02/iowa-caucus-results-disaster-pete-buttigieg

But also Buttigieg is the kind of guy who’d have a Sega and not a NES.

https://i.imgur.com/8PQiK3a.png

at 71% reporting bernie's back in the lead just slightly

The problem wasn’t the caucuses themselves. They seem to have gone fine. It’s that the democratic establishment in Iowa and elsewhere are marks for upwards failing technology grifters. But I’m totally fine with caucuses being collateral damage of this.

Well also caucuses are terrible

no one except for bi seems to be reporting 72%?

increasingly looks like at some point in the race Warren or Sanders will have to throw their delegates to the other in order to deny a much less popular "centrist" the nomination

OK as long as it's either/or I can get w/this :)

WA (the one in America, not the one that invented vote-by-mail in the 19th century) includes voting on ballot measures as well as candidates on their all-mail system, which warrants being able to research and tick boxes at leisure. I'm torn on the value of providing this much democracy at all, though.

increasingly looks like at some point in the race Warren or Sanders will have to throw their delegates to the other

vol-TRON vol-TRON vol-TRON

increasingly looks like at some point in the race Warren or Sanders will have to throw their delegates to the other in order to deny a much less popular "centrist" the nomination

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, February 4, 2020

This was always going to happen, but guess whose fans are most, ah, adamant about it

Ballot measures are bad not good

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP) at 4:18 4 Feb 20

How about we replace caucuses with trips to The Caucasus Mountains?

Clarence 13X/Dr. Yakub 2020

heh

Typical of Dem's poor political instincts: why not release the data during SOTU?

haha that would be good

^ yes otm

Ballot measures are bad not good

but I feel like they COULD be good

This was always going to happen, but guess whose fans are most, ah, adamant about it

all fans of everything are annoying, I just want the two great candidates to combine the best of their strengths and squash milquetoast compromise fetishists

sic are you a citizen yet?

Pete did a good job laying the groundwork for conspiracy theorists to hound him forever.

I think it was just disorganized, personally, but everyone only talks about “optics” now because we live inside a hall of mirrors. And on the optics front

my coworker was at a precinct that isn't represented on the current tally and its results are atypical compared to what they've already published

in case anyone is curious I'm in Polk County/DM44

appreciating mh’s presence in this thread for the past 24 hours

and more than that, it looks like

yes, for sure

sic are you a citizen yet?

N but please don't fredban me

this is the silver lining of buttmentum

I'm at a Biden town hall where four of the first five voters I talked to all said they could back "Amy or Pete" but worried they weren't high enough in NH polls to beat Sanders, who they didn't want to win.

So, yes, the impression that Buttigieg is in the hunt could matter.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) February 4, 2020

thanks Brad! I appreciate your presence pretty much across the board!

hah, that is to say the threads you’re in. neutral influence in threads in which you’ve never posted

Are we still somehow stuck at 62%?

a bunch of “ELECTION SECURITY” points are popping up in articles and it’s actually one of the few good things about the dumb caucus system, assuming the results actually make it on the damn page

if you stay to the end of the caucus, you know the exact numbers and can look at the website. if they don’t line up, then you cry foul. literally the one thing having numbers counted in the room and announced is good for

I have heard rumors the remaining 38% is stuck between the IDP chair’s head and torso currently and his head will roll shortly after they’re released

That's a fair enough point. I did see this Politico story earlier: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/04/think-iowa-was-a-fluke-get-used-to-it-110685

not knowing results on election night? like in 2000, or in 2004 when it was very late, or in 2016, or...

the only clear ones in my adult voting life were 2008 and 2012

Results in Washington and especially for small local elections in Seattle are often unclear for days.

the short of it is everyone is fucking furious because we didn't get results immediately because we're all a bunch of babies glued to the phone desperate for hot takes and narrative

this is the best account i've read of what actually happened with the app: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/04/iowa_caucus_software/

Results in Washington and especially for small local elections in Seattle are often unclear for days

Australian federal election results took three weeks in 2010 due to a hung parliament, and nearly two weeks in 2016 due to votes being so close that an audited recount was required.

(Motherfuckers lost their whole minds screaming on internets when one of the three independent MPs that resolved the hung parliament used his announcement speech to suggest that this showed that it was worth considering electoral reform to better represent the will of the people, instead of him just taking 2 seconds to announce that he would kowtow to one of two center-right parties.)

the short of it is everyone is fucking furious because we didn't get results immediately because we're all a bunch of babies glued to the phone desperate for hot takes and narrative

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:33 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this sounds like something my dad (70) would say. it's also not true.

I would happily wait 2.5 months while steadfast volunteers count and recount paper ballots by hand if it means avoiding unnecessary, self-owning clusterfucks like this in the future. Like have any of the stupid motherfuckers involved in this decision making process ever actually used technology before? Because technology is often real fucken dumb and bad.

this is the best account i've read of what actually happened with the app:

yeah this is good. but an especial infosec jfffffffffffffffffffc at the 70-and-80 year olds who couldn't get the app to work instead going to facebook to share details of the problems they were having.

there's probably room for someone to run and win on a single issue platform of "fire all Democratic Party career apparatchiks into the sun." if you have been working for them four years or less and have an email trail of your politely suggesting to higher-ups that they are fucking everything up very badly, you get to stay out of the capsule.

this thread is good context

If you want to understand what happened with Shadow and the failure of the Iowa Caucus app you have to understand how electoral campaign tech work is done and funded. Let me tell you a story to make sense of it.

— rabble (@rabble) February 4, 2020

i hope this tweet is a joke

The caucus app is firebase / react app built by one senior engineer who’s not done mobile apps and a bunch of folks who were very recent code academy graduates who as of a couple months ago worked as a prep cook for Starbucks and receptionist at Regus.

— rabble (@rabble) February 4, 2020

dumb and bad

Fp'd because you misspelled "bad and hated"

I spent easily a half hour today impatiently drumming my fingers and waiting for my company's technology to stop fucking around so I could do any of the work they were paying me to do. I wouldn't trust technology as far as I could throw it (and let me tell you, even with my skinny little chicken arms, I skipped that dumbass malfunctioning smartphone halfway across the fucken lake that one time, and it was glorious).