Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

a bunch of precincts gave up on waiting on the phone and by the time state HQ had more people in the building — gathered from insiders that had worked precincts — they weren’t able to reach precincts because people weren’t answering at 1am

the app may have been faulty in other ways, this is the one way I’ve heard about

aimless otm i kept wondering why someone didnt just step the fuck up early and say ‘no results til cob tomorrow, we need tk tabulate this with a fucking abacus, but while v embarassing we’re good.’ Is this what they actually did and the news and butti just kept play acting?

Hunt3r, mostly, yes. A lot of cross-checking needed to be done but indications are that the precincts that did use the app served up data that the Buttigieg campaign may even subscribe to

because Shadow Inc seemingly has two business models, and one of them is a *second app* that reports the results to subscribers before/outside of the state apparatus

wooo that’s bullshit biz practice, thx

that hasn’t been confirmed but seems to be the case, so don’t quote me on it

official word is “several campaigns tracked caucuses on their own” but it’s make sense that a technocrat campaign like Buttigieg’s would see an independent system as pure inefficiency if they could simply buy the official source’s stats

We don't need proof of, or belief in, a "conspiracy," the *appearance* of this shit is something that shouldn't come to pass (along with the incompetence).

everything is a conspiracy if you squint hard enough, though

i finally agree with morbs a million % yay

I was in Iowa and watched countless volunteers pour their hearts and souls into the campaigns. The app that failed is by a for-profit tech company founded by "veterans" of the 2016 Clinton campaign. Nothing will get fixed till these people stop failing up. https://t.co/nMXWYUHGD9

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) February 4, 2020

Iowa Dem Chair looks like a Seth Rogen character.

Whoa they learned lessons in the future... no wonder those brilliant fucks got the contract 🤔

CNN notwithstanding idea that people complaining about this are impatient babies is ... weird. If they said the results would be out in a week and then released them in a week it would have been fine. They didn’t. They said the results would be out in a couple of hours, and then total chaos. Now there’s space for people inclined to distrust institutions, and people in whose interest that is (like Lindsay graham this morning), to fill in the blanks, depress turnout, and fill the news with distracting chum. It’s a big deal! It’s not impatience!

thread title proven wrong btw

Pete and his shaaaaa-doe...

Me going to bed without Iowa results pic.twitter.com/0CpP2kM65g

— Javier Panzar 🦅 (@jpanzar) February 4, 2020

Steve Kornacki is going ape shit

New: Iowa Dem Party will release 62% of results from all 99 precincts, says Dem Party Chair Troy Price.

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) February 4, 2020

Buttigieg with a narrow lead with 62% reporting on SDEs
Buttigieg 26.9
Sanders 25.1
Warren 18
Biden 15
Doubt that's enough for a network projection.
Don't know much about whether it's representative, so be cautious

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) February 4, 2020

guess people took his advice on voting for someone else

Look I know Trump is pretty awful but I am pretty sure he isn't able to squeeze four extra years of being awful into the next nine months

why not, he's squeezed 16 into three years already


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hey while we're stamping out conspiracy theory fires ITT, how about let's not try and monetise fellow posters on behalf of a company that's committing real actual election fraud every day?


fwiw my coworker made an excellent point that we really need a federally funded nonpartisan election agency that can provide infrastructure and services to any sort of election across the country

he was looking at it from a computer and operational security perspective, but I think it logistically makes sense

be careful, something like this radical proposal could lead to 100% voter enfranchisement or similar

my new proposal for politics is that you're only allowed to go from private sector to politics exactly once

stipulation: you have to live in public housing forever if you leave politics

we need Oregon style vote-by-mail for everyone, ASAP

tempted to FP for racism but can't in full conscience, given the qualifier

I honestly believe that having the option to go to a polling place for a barbecue and cake stall, on a sunny Saturday morning, as well as voting by mail or voting early, drives both actual turnout and voter engagement.

thread title proven wrong btw

irl giggle

what's up w/ WaPo's numbers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/iowa/

I honestly believe that having the option to go to a polling place for a barbecue and cake stall, on a sunny Saturday morning, as well as voting by mail or voting early, drives both actual turnout and voter engagement.

OK as long as it's either/or I can get w/this :)

tempted to FP for racism but can't in full conscience, given the qualifier

I honestly believe that having the option to go to a polling place for a barbecue and cake stall, on a sunny Saturday morning, as well as voting by mail or voting early, drives both actual turnout and voter engagement.

xp

hmm, wow that sounds good, but is it really as good as a bunch of people wandering around a gym for several hours (excluding those who don't have the time to hang out in a gym for several hours on a weeknight, and discriminating against those who are introverted/don't like hanging out with weirdo strangers for hours) while some bald guy with glasses and a goatee (because it's always a bald guy with glasses and a goatee) individually counts every vote by pointing at people and then shouting out the results to another bald guy with glasses and a goatee at the front of the room by a whiteboard?

It is a big deal, right? It would be insane if there's any caucases in 2024

How about we replace caucuses with trips to The Caucasus Mountains?

Okay, lol:


https://jacobin-v2.positiondevapp.com/2020/02/iowa-caucus-results-disaster-pete-buttigieg

But also Buttigieg is the kind of guy who’d have a Sega and not a NES.

https://i.imgur.com/8PQiK3a.png

at 71% reporting bernie's back in the lead just slightly

The problem wasn’t the caucuses themselves. They seem to have gone fine. It’s that the democratic establishment in Iowa and elsewhere are marks for upwards failing technology grifters. But I’m totally fine with caucuses being collateral damage of this.

Well also caucuses are terrible

no one except for bi seems to be reporting 72%?

increasingly looks like at some point in the race Warren or Sanders will have to throw their delegates to the other in order to deny a much less popular "centrist" the nomination

OK as long as it's either/or I can get w/this :)

WA (the one in America, not the one that invented vote-by-mail in the 19th century) includes voting on ballot measures as well as candidates on their all-mail system, which warrants being able to research and tick boxes at leisure. I'm torn on the value of providing this much democracy at all, though.

increasingly looks like at some point in the race Warren or Sanders will have to throw their delegates to the other

vol-TRON vol-TRON vol-TRON

increasingly looks like at some point in the race Warren or Sanders will have to throw their delegates to the other in order to deny a much less popular "centrist" the nomination

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, February 4, 2020

This was always going to happen, but guess whose fans are most, ah, adamant about it

Ballot measures are bad not good

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP) at 4:18 4 Feb 20

How about we replace caucuses with trips to The Caucasus Mountains?

Clarence 13X/Dr. Yakub 2020

heh

Typical of Dem's poor political instincts: why not release the data during SOTU?

haha that would be good

^ yes otm

Ballot measures are bad not good

but I feel like they COULD be good

This was always going to happen, but guess whose fans are most, ah, adamant about it

all fans of everything are annoying, I just want the two great candidates to combine the best of their strengths and squash milquetoast compromise fetishists

sic are you a citizen yet?

Pete did a good job laying the groundwork for conspiracy theorists to hound him forever.

I think it was just disorganized, personally, but everyone only talks about “optics” now because we live inside a hall of mirrors. And on the optics front

my coworker was at a precinct that isn't represented on the current tally and its results are atypical compared to what they've already published

in case anyone is curious I'm in Polk County/DM44

appreciating mh’s presence in this thread for the past 24 hours

and more than that, it looks like

yes, for sure