Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

mh, Harry Reid said it wouldn't, and that's that.

🐦[And it’s absolutely wild to hear people who went all in on Russiagate insist that there is nothing suspicious going on here. Literally not one of whom predicted anything like this would happen, btw.
— David Klion🔥 (@DavidKlion) February 4, 2020🕸]🐦

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Nevada is using the same app btw

Well, it's beta tested now at least

... insanely skeptical that there were no malicious actors screwing around with the app

That guy has a fire emoji in his twitter name, he must be a genius

maybe an arsonist

xp oh, 100%

never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence

^second quote in last 2 hours

ppl in the poli game like to combine the two

again, that's what they want me to think

The problem with the conspiracy theories is that there is a giant paper trail and an insane amount of witnesses since caucus voting isn't carried out in secret. It has nothing to do with thinking Pete is above it or anything.

it's hard enough to add working code to an app when it's your own app, never mind being a black hat and doing it

Yeah, years of working in tech have taught me that massive fuck ups like this are pretty much the norm, and way too much faith is placed in apps than is ever justified.

fresh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP0qm2tWsAYd8Fy?format=jpg&name=large

It's insane that Warren is so weak in NH

go bernie

it's hard enough to add working code to an app when it's your own app, never mind being a black hat and doing it

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 2:52 PM (seven minutes ago)

nah, just get a copy of the app that is logged in, be close enough to an organizer to borrow their phone for a moment to install a cert on it while you're presumably texting your mom, and then join it to your own "Official Caucus WiFi" access point. instant traffic interception

if the fact an organizer was about to read his script live on the air with CNN and the picture of a caucus paper spreadsheet that had a clearly labeled PIN code at the top are indicators, they gave people no training on security

i can't believe the pete guy who tweeted the PIN codes STILL hasn't deleted the tweets

when will yang drop out?
when will steyer drop out?
how the fuck does gabbard have 7% support in NH?

tbf Pete's campaign direction is "never ever admit you were wrong"

alfred can u really abide such nostalgia for machine days from internet richard nixon?

if the fact an organizer was about to read his script live on the air with CNN and the picture of a caucus paper spreadsheet that had a clearly labeled PIN code at the top are indicators, they gave people no training on security

― caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 1:03 PM (four minutes ago)

training people on security unfortunately does not guarantee that they won't do blatantly stupid things immediately afterwards

What do you mean, 16 year olds drive defensively all the time

re: the app

jfc. I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but it seems like the evidence is pretty overwhelming that election security is basically non-existent, and that there are ways in which people could mess with election results without requiring a ton of resources, and potentially turn elections if they had a ton of resources. I feel like we are all just trying to ignore it in part because if there have already been fraudulent elections in the past, then we are in over our heads already.

I really hope there is a full accounting of what the hell went on in Iowa, and quickly! I understand they need to get the count done ASAP and maybe there are unpatched holes in their system that they wouldn't want to reveal, but man, this is weak.

Why do you guys think it is that election security stories are never taken seriously? Is it just that the incumbents figure they were the beneficiaries of any shenanigans so they have no incentive to look into them?

Like wouldn't this stuff be top priority for our three-letter agencies?

this wasn't an election, it was a caucus

and US history is littered with fraudulent elections

Does NH have like a higher proportion of men than most states or something? It always seems to have this intense Weird Dude Energy w/r/t political shit

like one of the reasons this is such a clusterfuck is because Iowa's caucus system is literally like several hundred games of Red Rover played by confused old white people, this doesn't really have anything to do with fraud as much as it does just being the nature of a badly antiquated system that involves people grouping themselves together in a room rather than using ACTUAL FUCKING BALLOTS

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apps like this don't do anything by themselves. this thing has to have sent results to a service somewhere which would then accept the payload and do whatever with it. This isn't an app that was released in the apple store or google play, so it's unlikely anyone did anything TO THE APP. It's possible someone was able to determine where the server is that accepted the information and could interfere with things that way, and if so that's an indictment on the security team who built this. But it could just as easily be an issue of: apps didn't all send info to the servers because their connections dropped, or something.

they should just use goddamn ballots like every other proper election. problem solved.

I generally think David Klion is smart and sensible, but I'm not sure what he's trying to do with this conspiracy line. I think it's possible to separate out concern about how the party does business (specifically, how potential biases might be shaped by the awarding of contracts and the appointment of officials) from the technological and logistical mishaps that occurred. Just because those biases may exist does not mean they played a direct role in whatever happened last night.

https://theoutline.com/post/8636/acronym-shadow-most-hated-company-in-politics

they should just use goddamn ballots like every other proper election. problem solved.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:20 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if you mean paper ballots, i agree with you.

You all do realize that the Iowa Democratic party has a paper trail from which the correct results may be tabulated, don't you? So this furor over the app mainly applies to the delay in making those results public, which is sort of crappy, but it would be far worse to announce wrong results then have to walk them back after the media has moved on to the next story.

xps we need Oregon style vote-by-mail for everyone, ASAP

we already died of dysentery

the paper ballots were mildly confusing but they exist and have been collected. the entire head count and alignment just just means some of the ballots have two things to count

the two ways precincts reported the counts to the HQ is what was fucked up. because the magical app was going to make it easier, they had fewer people sitting there to answer the phones to collect totals — and the fact there were two sets of totals made calls longer

the app accepted the data correctly, then incorrectly showed what was submitted on the precinct user screens. so even the precincts that used the app felt they needed to call in

a bunch of precincts gave up on waiting on the phone and by the time state HQ had more people in the building — gathered from insiders that had worked precincts — they weren’t able to reach precincts because people weren’t answering at 1am

the app may have been faulty in other ways, this is the one way I’ve heard about

aimless otm i kept wondering why someone didnt just step the fuck up early and say ‘no results til cob tomorrow, we need tk tabulate this with a fucking abacus, but while v embarassing we’re good.’ Is this what they actually did and the news and butti just kept play acting?

Hunt3r, mostly, yes. A lot of cross-checking needed to be done but indications are that the precincts that did use the app served up data that the Buttigieg campaign may even subscribe to

because Shadow Inc seemingly has two business models, and one of them is a *second app* that reports the results to subscribers before/outside of the state apparatus

wooo that’s bullshit biz practice, thx

that hasn’t been confirmed but seems to be the case, so don’t quote me on it

official word is “several campaigns tracked caucuses on their own” but it’s make sense that a technocrat campaign like Buttigieg’s would see an independent system as pure inefficiency if they could simply buy the official source’s stats

We don't need proof of, or belief in, a "conspiracy," the *appearance* of this shit is something that shouldn't come to pass (along with the incompetence).

everything is a conspiracy if you squint hard enough, though

i finally agree with morbs a million % yay