Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

I watched some of that on YouTube & did not understand it.

Watching "Arc of Infinity." Killing off all the time lords and wiping out Gallifrey was kind of stupid/short-sighted decision. It's like getting rid of Starfleet; you lose the central and authoritative body for the main character(s) to belong to and react with/against.

On the other hand, Gallifrey was never that interesting as a place or a society when shown on-screen: it seems to work better in absentia.

Gallifrey was only ever fanwank, and it only puts Doctor Who in danger of becoming Star Trek.

Gallifrey destroyed? Well maybe, JUST MAYBE after an adventure where an entire planet's worth of people have been "saved" to a data store The Doctor will slap himself on the head and say HANG ON THAT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE MATRIX ON THAT THERE PLANET I SPEND SO MUCH TIME MOPING ABOUT and realise all he has to do is press whatever Big Red Universal Reset Button he used in that adventure again.

Happened to Optimus Prime in the Transformers comic as well, and that was in like 1987.

matrix was kept in a fireproof safe, and an off-planet backup was sent off every week too. so this could work.

IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THE CREATOR OF THE DALEKS MIGHT DO.

Ahem.

HEY WHO TURNED OUT THE LIGHTS

NELLY FURTADO

Captain Jack is already immortal, having a regeneration as well would just be greedy.

I wouldn't put it past him to have a sex change though.

was dr who geeking out with a friend who is way more drwhoniverse than i am and he posited that prof riversong is the doctor's very very last companion. he pshawed the wife theory but was into my captain jack theory if only b/c wldn't that be cool and yeah captain jack has gotta get bored of that body one day - also he somehow becomes face of bo, so how does that happen, some kind of regeneration something-or-other

Face of bo - what happens when an immortal is decapitated maybe?

|O_O|

i guess it's more like |~___~| rly

face of boe was pregnant at some point too so...

HEY WHO TURNED OUT THE LIGHTS

(is this annoying yet? hope not)

Don't tell the others, they'll only laugh.

&-(

lol

FACE OF BO WAS PREGNANT??

but obv before face of bo was only just a face
i sort've remember this kind of talk of FoB family in that ep...

i really hope this theory pans out

FACE OF BO WAS PREGNANT??

Yes, it's mentioned on some news programme, iirc, playing in the background in - I think - The Long Game, or some other series 1 ep. It was probably intended as a kind of a thowaway lol line more than anything. Rather than a plot point to take any notice of.

yeah i remembered! hm

One of the reasons I love Moffat's scripts so much is he's one of the only Who writers (that I know of) to do something clever plot-wise with the notion of time travel – Blink was crammed with great mindfuck moments like receiving a letter dated a hundred years ago from someone you just talked to a moment ago. I don't think the other writers really think about time-travel weirdness, they just use it as a reason that something can't be done.

And I don't count the patented RTD procedure of laying clues for the shocking series finale throughout the series, as cool as that was.

Bad Wolf was crap.

I thought it was a pretty neat idea! No idea where they're going this time with the bees though.

Wow, that was awesome! I never had any clue what was going to happen next.

Data ghosting = creepy as fuck

Yes, just to be clear, my &-( above was supposed to be me crying, though it didn't really work. Data ghosting is like HAL dying. V.sad.

I love Moffat's fascination with spooky contact or manipulation across space or time. It's what television does - sends out this signal right into your home that affects your brain. (This is the second Moffat show where the doctor speaks from a TV set to a befuddled viewer.)

Yes, he does like to repeat himself a bit ...

I also like how this show plays with size - the most gigantic library in the entire universe is inside a little girl's head ("bigger inside than outside?") and then the Doctor's inside the library, poking at an object smaller than the little girl but which in turn seems to contain her..? And it all seems to make a weird sort of sense.

xp

The data ghosting bit made me mist up as well!

I was surprised by the introduction of a character that knows the Dr's future – because this plot thread seems to have nothing to do with the already spoilered reintroduction of characters for the rest of the series: Davros, Rose. This future-wife or whatever storyline seems to look into the next season/series/specials, which threw me.

Unless they're going to be incredibly lame and actually wrap up that plotline completely next ep and we'll never hear about that woman again.

Been listening to more of the audios. the I, Davros one is really a good study on facsism to go along with the character work.

Also, paul mcgann is a great doctor.

Unless they're going to be incredibly lame and actually wrap up that plotline completely next ep and we'll never hear about that woman again.

That would be my guess.

I'm guessing either:

a) The Doctor spoilers his own future and opts to never actually meet her in the future because it's the only way he can save everyone else (ie by never arriving there in the first place, maybe)

Or more likely

b) She is a complete impostor and has never met the Doctor in any Timeline, but just knows about his history and future (because there's a bludy great book there with everything in it)

One more thing to add to the (not very convincing) River = Jack (= Boe) theory: River managed to send the Doc a message on his psychic paper. The only other time this has happened is when the Face of Boe did so in series 2. Boe = Jack = ... River??
Not very good, but still.

ooh i like the complete impostor theory!

perhaps paving stone Who obsessive girl regenerated into Riverdance.

Maybe he is naughty, reads the book and timey-wimey stuff means that spoils their future.

One thing that did cross my mind was that p0erhaps she is from a future where he has lost his tardis and he is her companion.

Maybe she's his stalker.

Actually I quite like that idea.

He gave her his screwdriver. I thought he only had one though. Head hurts!

I think someone always gets him a halford boxed set of screwdrivers every Christmas.

Yeah, there was that nonsense when he first met Martha where he broke his screwdriver and acted all sad, and then by the end of the episode he had a new one. He probably absconded with a big packing crate full of them before he blew up the factories.

No-one? I really liked that.

Yeah, it was great. I could feel the shockwave of kiddies having the shits put up them all over the land when Miss Whatsit revealed her face.

'Everybody lives' again.