Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

insofar as any candidate except Bloomberg and Yang would sign executive orders and appoint administrators better than any Republican, yeah, it doesn't matter who wins the Dem nomination

all other disagreements aside, I think it's clear by now that whomst has the presidency has a psychological effect on the nation, so there's also that.

you guys are def in charge of November turnout, then xp

xxp - that line only has even a vague meaning if you think all the rest would sign the same EOs, appoint the same administrators and the same judges

I have my doubts.

I think the Campos post is reductive but I agree with the sentiment. This past week left me especially Sick of This Shit and I'm at the point now where I'll vote for Biden with a raging hard-on if it comes to that.

tmi

fair

This comment is also worth noting:

_Whatever perceived competence the Executive Branch may have had, any illusion on the part of other countries that the US can have a stable international policy is shot to hell for the lifetime of everyone of voting age in those countries. A Democratic president may generate an overseas sigh of relief, but trust in the US is never going to be further than "will this promise be delivered on while you are still in office?"_

xxp - that line only has even a vague meaning if you think all the rest would sign the same EOs, appoint the same administrators and the same judges

I have my doubts.

Ah shit fucked yo my quote tags

Trump's opponent, whoever it is, gets 47% by having a heartbeat. The rest will come by how hard people are motivated to bang the drum.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) February 3, 2020

please kill me

omfg pic.twitter.com/ujTchzgNP6

— Brock Wilbur (@brockwilbur) February 3, 2020

haha yes the burns will be epic

uh what

#Final #Iowa, David Binder Research/@focusonrural Poll:

Buttigieg 19%
Sanders 17%
Biden 15%
Warren 15%
Klobuchar 11%
Gabbard 3%
Steyer 3%
The rest 1% or less pic.twitter.com/1nb65JU3kH pic.twitter.com/0FfyAnzeXI

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) February 3, 2020

iirc that poll has consistently been a bit of an outlier, no need to freak out just yet afaik

xps unperson, the only way to stem the tide of right wing nationalism is to beat it, and the only way to do that is to put forth a vision for the future that voters en masse can actually embrace. If people liked the way it was before they wouldn’t have voted for trump in the first place.

ah ok that's more rural focused which means....Bernies gonna win

Given the mechanics of how caucuses work, a 4% difference between 1st and 4th place could fall out in a very wide range of final outcomes. So, if you live in Iowa, just go caucus, and if you don't, don't sweat bullets over the polls because it won't help at all.

iirc there was some rules change that rural/small caucuses count for more or something?

looking forward to 2020

A note from the Republican Iowa Secretary of State about the repeated misinformation put out by Judicial Watch, a conservative organization that routinely spreads absolute garbage about voter rolls. pic.twitter.com/vpyChUtsAG

— Jessica Huseman (@JessicaHuseman) February 3, 2020

Joe Biden's healthcare plan: dead dick Alprostadil injections 4 all

when your campaign is saying this in public = internal polling shows you taking a drubbing

Joe Biden’s campaign team is setting expectations low for the Iowa caucuses Monday night.

While some campaign aides were unsure how the results would turn out hours before the caucuses would begin, they expressed some apprehension about the outcome.

“Most [aides] feel it’s not going to be great,” one longtime Biden ally who has had conversations with top aides inside the campaign, acknowledged Monday.

Biden’s aides and allies said they were hoping to place in the top three. But even if they fall short, the campaign is “built for the long haul,” one Biden confidant said.

lmao if he doesn't make the top 3

trust no chatter

biden being crushed under the weight of klobmentum

Joementum 2: The Doddering

when your campaign is saying this in public = internal polling shows you taking a drubbing

as with debates, isn't it a pretty standard move to set low expectations, so you can artificially create an "outperformed expectations" narrative? He may still be taking a drubbing but simon h otm, a "longtime ally" pretend-leaking what "aides and allies" are saying is just noise.

the canceled DMR poll apparently showed a bernie/buttigieg/warren 123?

^^^

We have the Glasgow, Scotland satellite caucus results

1st Alignment:

Sanders: 9
Warren: 4
Buttigieg: 3
Yang: 2
Klobuchar: 1

Yang and Klobuchar not viable. One Yang person left

2nd Alignment:

Sanders: 9
Warren: 6
Buttigieg: 3 pic.twitter.com/2Dl6cYSmGU

— Iowa Starting Line (@IAStartingLine) February 3, 2020

After the second alignment (round), the final count for the Paris satellite Iowa Caucus:
8 #Warren
6 #Sanders
3 #Klobuchar
Warren and Sanders each picked up a #Buttigieg supporter. The 3 remaining candidates get 1 delegate each.@France24_en @FRANCE24 #IowaCaucuses #IowaCaucus pic.twitter.com/jDQdGkLYlM

— Charli James (@charli) February 3, 2020

Are you ready for... KLOBUGIEG

caucuses are weird

Are you ready for... KLOBUGIEG

what about BUTTCHAR

yes

BIDENYANG

Caucusus seem like they’re designed by bored bishops to frustrate the selection of unpopularr future papal leaders. I can imagine a third-tier Borgia shouting, like, “heretics, the lot of you!”?at a crowd of Bernie Bros.

that’s no way to talk about hillary

BIDENYANG

you bangy?

Get ready for the YANGBERG.

elizabernie

Guys, I am realizing tonight, as I think about the fact that this Iowa vote, dumb as it is, could be a killing blow to Elizabeth Warren's campaign, is that I really do in my heart want her to win. I mean I have questions about her ability to win a general election, I really do. I don't know strategically what's right and I don't even know who I'm going to vote for. But when I think about her campaign being over, and the sinking feeling that gives me, I realize that when it comes down to it she's the one I most want to be my President.

Now let's see what happens, I guess.

if she places second or third and gets more than 15% she still gets delegates so idk I wouldn't count her campaign out yet.

I think she'd nominate the best Cabinet and agency heads, and her temperament suggests she'd listen, keep an open mind, but be firm once she's made a decision. And I want a woman as president.

It doesn't look good.

agree it doesn't look good but if Biden doesn't win IA or NH that sets up a collapse in NC and then we're in a whole different playing field

"I think she'd nominate the best Cabinet and agency heads, and her temperament suggests she'd listen, keep an open mind, but be firm once she's made a decision. And I want a woman as president."

yes

fight fight fight

One hopes that Biden is more easily discouraged by early caucuses and primaries than Warren is, even if his votes are higher than hers.

Meanwhile, several satellite locations were held for Iowa snowbirds in Florida and Arizona. At one location in Port Charlotte, Florida, which was broadcast live by CNN, Amy Klobuchar carried the room. Here are those numbers:

First Alignment:

Klobuchar: 48
Buttigieg: 38
Biden: 32
Warren: 12
Steyer: 2
Sanders: 1
Yang: 1

Second Alignment:

Klobuchar: 56
Buttigieg: 44
Biden: 43

Olds gonna old