bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Good name though.

Might just ignore the advice of the twitter user with very Irish name imploring ppl to listen to the Malcolm Gladwell podcast on the Bengal famine for some perspective!

this is in the replies I mean, not the threadstarter

didn't realise Schneider was Grace Blakeley's other half.

Macolm Gladwell is the ne plus ultra of trying to relativize total savagery, a shill for all sorts of horrible things which he coats in just enough quirky trivia knowledge to make them acceptable for Stephen Fry and the New Yorker. I'm not the biggest kill all melts guy on this thread but the way he keeps being indulged by lib institutions is really damning.

he was wheeled out as an American healthcare apologist during the election campaign arguing that insulin will be actually be technically cheaper in the UK when you pay a grand for it!

Novara seems well enough to me but their reluctance to settle arguments with fists is disappointing

To lay cards on the table this is my gripe with Momentum Thugs as well

My grandparents, who both served in the war (one as a stoker on a minesweeper, which gave him the lung cancer he died of, one as a nurse) both hated Churchill - but they were from Dundee, where Churchill had been MP.

Egerton is really solid with the nuts, bolts, rivets, engineering and economics of history. But useless with people. Hence before I realised this I couldn't tell whether it was a zing or his own cluelessness when he described Livingstone as one of the more interesting and intelligent people of the 70s/80s left!

I wish I hadn't clicked on this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ex5633/serious_the_uk_has_left_the_european_union_if_you/

The sheer amount of people who cite Romania in particular is… sobering.

Ctrl-f'd Romania and the first couple of hits were of people not wanting the UK to be "dragged down by Greece and Romania's economy". And Romanians and Poles committing most of the crimes. Nothing to do with racism, at all, no sir.

This one had quite the punchline:

In my hometown a lot of people voted leave because of Polish, Russian and Romanian immigrants not because they were 'stealing jobs' but because (and this is statistically correct for my town) most of the crimes where commited by them. The most dangerous part of the whole city was the areas dominated by eastern Europeans.

I didn't vote as I was unsure as both sides presented valid arguments and I couldn't decide.

I'm a British citizen born and bred but I live in Romania so in all honesty I'm unsure as to how Brexit will affect me here as of yet but I'm sure it won't be fun

Yeah, I read that one twice to see if I understood him/her correctly...

Russian immigrants? Where's his hometown, Kensington?

I was in a queue in Asda a couple of months back and heard an old girl behind me saying "Bloody hell, I don't even recognise this place anymore, it's like a foreign country!" Obv she'd strayed from the safety of her all white and English branch of the Co-op up the road in Horbury.

Ime you are 100% of the time better off never ever reading the comments about something like this online, most people are ignorant and don’t know anything about Romania or Romanians. And I’ve always thought the nature of free movement, that immigrants have the same rights, has always angered people who see themselves as naturally better, for whatever reason. If the Romanians or Poles were living here under something akin to a guest worker system, they would probably feel more comfortable with it, but a lot of the hate is visceral and goes back to very old tropes people may not even be aware of.

So has the nature of the sioeve been made clear to everybody who thinks they're in a sound ship HMS Great Britain.
Or is it going to take a little while longer.

Yesterday Ireland had a major storm hit it, so would think it might not be the best time for embarcation anyway.
& certianly not with the crew that's passing as leadership, like.

Howe long do you reckon before you join the Eurozone?

Even my own mother, who is generally ok but I’m also sure wouldn’t know a Romanian from a hole in the ground, comes out with the most ignorant shite sometimes. I’m not convinced most Irish people know there’s a difference between Romanian and Romany people either. Always makes me think of the scene from Utopia about this very ignorance.

I do usually try to avoid such threads but every now and then the temptation to hate/rage-read becomes too strong. You're definitely right about free movement – a supposedly level playing field is way more terrifying than a steady drip of certified foreign brains and indentured servants.

As for the Roma/Romanian distinction, there certainly is one, but I also hate it when Romanians say shit like 'the Roma are giving us a bad name abroad' when the fact of the matter is that quite a few of those anecdotal crimes the Daily Mail and other fascist rags love to foreground are routinely committed by non-Roma Romanians as well. We have our own deep well of centuries-old racism.

Oh of course. Anti-ziganism is a disease all over Europe.

a supposedly level playing field is way more terrifying than a steady drip of certified foreign brains and indentured servants.

The concept of a level playing field, or even the concept of equals, is a problem in itself. The hierarchical brain is generally ok with their superiors and their inferiors. As long as they stay in the rightful place, cleaning the toilets or doing a brain surgery

it is important that we shit on people but it is also ok if other people shit on us as long as they are the right kind of person and the papers that say "they can shit on you" are all in order

You've just inspired me to fuck with display names for the first time, so thanks.

As I think I mentioned before, most people I talk to about politics here - which is a decent amount, I think - didn’t realise most EU citizens don’t have the vote. Have always thought of this as part of the ignorance around free movement.

Well done :) xp

Oh of course. Anti-ziganism is a disease all over Europe.

It certainly is. Even in warm-hearted welcoming progressive (lol) Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50690015

"they can shit on you"

Most of the UK media says that these people (bullingdonclub.jpg) can shit on us.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/10/2/1254521015825/The-Bullingdon-Club-001.jpg?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=1854e6e2a6f3d48719d8342d98d07e42
I however refuse to be shat upon by people who dress like the waiters at a fancy wedding reception.

that pic is from a *dramatisation* https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/04/david-cameron-bullingdon-club

(i've also seen some papers using a painting of the original photo, maybe due to copyright reasons. you can find copies online but i'm not linking to the sun)

Here you go
https://www.lesoir.be/sites/default/files/dpistyles_v2/ena_16_9_extra_big/2016/07/10/node_49747/1611142/public/2016/07/10/B979162657Z.1_20160710163907_000+GEJ765M9D.1-0.jpg

Nightmare fuel.

Yeah I didn't want to link to The Sun either.

As I think I mentioned before, most people I talk to about politics here - which is a decent amount, I think - didn’t realise most EU citizens don’t have the vote.

lol you'd think the fact that Leave won would be a dead giveaway

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/police-called-in-after-poster-tells-residents-of-flats-to-speak-english

Needless to say the message is littered with errors.

The 'Queens English', eh? What about regional varieties such as the Norfolk dialect?

to these people the Queen and the Englishness are the most important things in that order, they don't really give a fuck about grammaticality which tbh is fair enough

wonder where they...ah

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/06/boris-johnson-multi-culty-balkanisation-uk-english-speaking-nhs

Several people have been stabbed in Streatham, south London, and a man has been shot by police in what they describe as a "terrorist-related" incident.

https://t.co/uSbu1zJvcE

— Mike Walker (@New_Narrative) February 2, 2020

Streatham being the obvious place to carry out a terrorist attack...

Met police are describing it as "terrorist-related"

In 2015:

-> 152 CLPs nominated Corbyn
-> 111 CLPs nominated Burnham
-> 109 CLPs nominated Cooper
-> 18 CLPs nominated Kendall

So far:

-> 37 Corbyn CLPs have voted (24%)
-> 100 Burnham CLPs have voted (90%)
-> 35 Cooper CLPs have voted (32%)
-> 9 Kendall CLPs have voted (50%)

— Stats for Lefties (#VoteRLB) (@LeftieStats) February 2, 2020

"Over 100 pro-Corbyn CLPs still have not voted yet"

some interesting stats, maybe the CLP's have not all melted as bad as polling suggests members have - we'll soon find out.

Dawn Butler now has enough CLP support to get onto the ballot.

— CLP Nominations (@CLPNominations) February 2, 2020

Was just coming here to post that. She’ll get my vote.

Same.

I bet there isn't one CLP who goes for Starmer/Butler. Bush was joking:"when you love Corbynism but hate women" when one of them went for Starmer/Burgon.

I like this theme of outsiders of the field moving up on the front-runners, apart from if you consider Nandy an outsider!

love too have a free press
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPzHYmDU0AA54pY?format=jpg&name=large

no they won't start attacking centrist knight-rider for saying the same things until he's the leader