Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I am unaware of and don't really care about those arguments

wait lbj abused people with the smell of his dumps

i was gonna say y'all should stop but i'm learning a lot here

sorry i meant fdr i am very tired

wait no i meant lbj

ignore me

Sanders bipartisan record in the Senate is mostly on the foreign policy side. Warren's is more on the domestic side (and there seems to be a bit more of it, although a breakdown of bills would take some time to analyze)

xps

lbj had meetings in the shitter, pissed out on the wh lawn so people could see his ding dong, backed ppl into corners and shoved his finger their chest as he towered over them, he was a country ass thug

xp

brad your run there is the best stretch this thread has had all afternoon

i'm staying late at work today and i'd rather not do the work i'm staying late for

wait lbj abused people with the smell of his dumps

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/18463/lbj-president-who-marked-his-territory

LBJ would have had a secret fetlife account in 2020.

LBJ was known to notoriously leave the bathroom door open during conversations with Senators. Why this detail sticks out to some people idk, LBJ was a generally boorish and uncouth guy who nonetheless knew how to alternately twist arms, be obsequious, or underhanded and manipulative, depending on what the situation called for.

Everyone interested in how shit got done in the Senate in the 20th century should read the last couple volumes of the Caro bios.

LBJ had pants custom-tailored for his huge balls

how shit got done

something lbj sure knew about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GT9UN7nDo&feature=emb_title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GT9UN7nDo

A friend of mine also cites “the bully pulpit” as a response to how Sanders will get things done. I don’t get it.

Whatever passes through Diamond Joe backslapping Manchin and other the other grandees of our worst constitutional institution probably wouldn’t be M4A

it definitely wouldn't be, Biden has repeatedly argued that all we need to do is give Romneycare a li'l tweak or two and America will be running smoothly forever, Fat

"Warren's support seems to be tanking" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when people use her "cratering" as a reason not to support her. To me that seems backwards; I would rather continue my support for her until she's no longer an option, rather than abandon it because other people have. Just me, maybe.

Her slipping in polls even while other candidates drop out is bemusing, and I think she'd make the most effective President, and she certainly has the broader portfolio of detailed and costed policies that would improve the country, the planet and global democracy. However, I've been saying for months that I'd prefer a Bernie / VP Warren or a Warren + Bernie-in-cabinet ticket, because Bernie has strengths as a campaigner against Trump that nobody else in the race holds.

Reading the other week that the Bernie campaign had specifically checked whether a VP Warren could also be Treasury Secretary was fucking thrilling, even if it had turned out the answer was "no." In my life of being vaguely or closely aware of American elections (ie since Bill The Cat's second run), the DNC have either paired Will This Do? with A Grey Piece Of Paper, or paired someone with moderate charisma with an utter personality void.

I don't know that nigh-daily polls tell us anything useful, and the months of campaigning and caucuses are overall a sickness in the US system. (Also, anybody who'd vote for Biden next month is probably disengaged enough from politics that they'll vote for any D with a name they know from TV, come November.) But if the poll slides mean anything, voltronning early would forestall dumbshits for thinking of Warren as a loser, and increase the chances of a ticket that she's on being the one that goes to the polls.

anybody who'd vote for Biden next month is probably disengaged enough from politics

how many retirees do you hang out with

I've been shocked at the oldsters in my family's affection for Dodderin' Joe

but would they not vote for the nice 71-year-old lady if she's had six months of TV ads and interviews by November

what are Biden's policy platforms with which they are most engaged?

the older folks in my family that are leaning joe i would say are primarily focused on beating trump.

Gad you defeatists for the past three hours.

Its the JUDICIARY, dummies. Even if Biden or Bloomberg or Buttigieg don't tickle your nethers, even if you understand that both Bernie and Warren won't have enough of a mandate to get more than a small fraction of their platforms enacted, a Trump reelection means a judiciary packed with Federalist Society cunts for the next several decades.

I will gladly vote for any Dem in November. Among other things, because we're one supreme court justice away from clothes hangar abortions...

I will gladly vote for any Dem in November.

As will everyone but Morbs.

If I broke my "never vote for someone who voted for the Iraq War" pledge in a meaningless red state election once, I can do it again.

Its the JUDICIARY, dummies

still requires Senate votes...

This is a very good argument for Bernie's electability:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/bernie-sanders-message-media-machine-could-be-potent-against-trump

I'm not worried about his electability

Okay. Just read that article and wanted to post it somewhere, and I've quit Twitter, so.

I'm at happy hour. Hve we killed the New Deal

no, but we are rebranding it as the Big Fuckin Deal in honor of uncle joe

Yeah sorry milo, a meaningless vote in NY for Biden would make me wanna jump off my fucking roof more than cancer costs under Obamacare.

I’m not throwing stones.

Proud Nader 2000 voter

We really need some senatorial candidates running on the platform of abolishing the Senate

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby)

That's a Republican position

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP)

It is?

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Pretty sure there is a conservative-libertarian-"Tenther" position that wants to repeal the 17th Amendment that nationalized direct election of Senators, and return to having state legislatures appoint Senators.

The idea being that Senators should advocate for the state itself vis-a-vis the Federal union, as opposed to advocating for their constituent humans within the Federal construct, like House reps are supposed to.

The philosophy is that states aren't mere geographic subdivisions within a nation-state. The idea is that states are more like the sovereign countries that make up (for example) the European Union, as opposed to the way that, e.g., a US state has counties in it.

So as I understand it, it's not so much that Republicans want to do away with the Senate. They just want it to return to where it was in, say, 1850. It's a states' rights argument.

Now let's pause to consider whether there might be some problematic aspects to that position. I seem to remember we've heard about "states' rights" before and that didn't go so well.

nah, fuck it, the Senate is undemocratic

Yeah Alfred sums up my objection.

Also late to this but as much as I abhor death cultism its appeal is undeniable and it wins elections for the other side

tangent, but serious question: besides being annoying, is there any actual benefit for bloomberg from being in the next debate that he is not already accomplishing by throwing shitloads of money at TV advertising

It might add marginally to his 'seriousness' as a candidate, but in general, I'd say no measurable benefit. He's been the mayor of a city much larger than South Bend.

If he thinks he can make a persuasive case for the claims in his TV ads by speaking whole sentences, then it's a benefit for him to get to do so. If he believes he can make a more convincing case for himself as a candidate when set against the others, or if he has a notion that his TV ads are shallow and unconvincing, it benefits him to be set against the others and to add to his seriousness.

(People in this thread may not have the same estimates of his capacity at making a case for himself as he does, but these seem plausible thoughts for an individual to have. One certainly hopes that being the mayor of a city with a larger population than most countries gave him the political awareness that his ads do not, in themselves, do anything at all to back up their own claims that Mike Will Made It Git-R-Done.)


[I dunno that said mayorship says much to the great lumpenvoter tbh]

There should be no more primary debates. They're pointless and stupid. And I'm sick of Pete Buttigeig's fucking face. Just start voting and weeding out more of these cunts, as quickly as possible.

a-motherfuckin-men

man, the DNC. awful.

When @CoryBooker led an effort to change the debate thresholds, the DNC refused—saying they couldn’t benefit any candidate.

It seems the only candidate they’re willing to benefit is a billionaire who’s buying his way into the race. Total mess. https://t.co/mw0MhdyjBr

— Julián Castro (@JulianCastro) January 31, 2020

One reason the right has been so successful is they don’t apologize for their beliefs. Another is they understand that centrists are the enemy. https://t.co/iKF9ymqkuP

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) February 1, 2020

#BREAKING: The Des Moines Register, CNN and Selzer & Co. have decided note to release the final installment of the #IowaPoll as planned this evening. https://t.co/tVi97cDFPX

— Des Moines Register (@DMRegister) February 2, 2020

well that's weird

maybe it showed bernie with a 40 pt lead wow what are they hiding

apparently one of the questions, or a person asking the questions, omitted one of the candidates for that one question

I’m drinking a beer downtown des moines right now ama

nbc news local hq is apparently two doors down and the trailers take up half the block. street parking is tight because Yang is three blocks away. canvassing groups are showing up to drink

ppl argue about polling as tho it creates reality not reflects it

News: The @DMRegister is weighing whether to release their @jaselzer poll as planned tonight after @PeteButtigieg camp complained that his name was left off at least one survey questionnaire https://t.co/9dNNMrtUmc

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) February 2, 2020