Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

The Voting Rights Act wasn't passed by compromising with Robert Byrd. White supremacy and the New Deal is a case study for why you don't let the shitbags dictate terms - and if you do anyway, when you stop doing stop letting them the deals fall apart.

LBJ probably the greatest leader of the Senate in the 20th century so yeah

stop doing

White supremacy and the New Deal is a case study for why you don't let the shitbags dictate terms

so you would have preferred no New Deal? huh.

Agreed Bloomie doesn’t have a prayer. However he could draw enough votes to alter contours of the primary.

The point is that none of the contenders have a clearer path to getting progressive legislation through Manchin than any of the others, Sanders not kissing his ass is irrelevant and a dumb objection to raise about him.

We don't know what the legislative process will look like - we've seen it with the eager to compromise and the technocrats, we haven't seen it with someone banking on that grassroots support.

so you would have preferred no New Deal? huh.

If we're going to play this game, "so you're cool with the white supremacy of the New Deal? huh."

The Voting Rights Act wasn't passed by compromising with Robert Byrd.

do you want me to run down the shitty Republicans that voted for it and gave LBJ the filibuster-proof majority?

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The point is that none of the contenders have a clearer path to getting progressive legislation through Manchin than any of the others, Sanders not kissing his ass is irrelevant and a dumb objection to raise about him.

hard disagree - as I've pointed out repeatedly, Warren has not gotten into public fights with Joe Manchin and explicitly made an enemy out of him. Manchin hasn't said "I will back Trump over Warren" to a reporter.

If we're going to play this game, "so you're cool with the white supremacy of the New Deal? huh."

I am cool with the New Deal, yes. The white supremacy parts of it sucked shit, but it was better than the alternative of nothing.

Dixiecrat Shakey, makes the Manchin stuff more understandable now.

Warren has not gotten into public fights with Joe Manchin and explicitly made an enemy out of him

You've also said that "bribery" would be required for him to vote for M4A at all, which has nothing to do with fights or friendliness. If he can be bought, he can be bought.

you think Sanders is into buying people off? ok

Ugh, of course this year's DNC is in Milwaukee. I bet the local cops are champing at the bit to produce a rerun of 1968. If the DNC thought it would help them in WI to hold the convention there, they should have gone for Madison.

I have the distinct impression Warren is a little chummier/more collegial in the Senate just by nature of her personality and by her not picking fights with other Senators the way Sanders has. I would be open to evidence to the contrary.

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Dixiecrat Shakey, makes the Manchin stuff more understandable now.

I'm not calling you any names, you know. If you wanna know what puts some people off about Berniebros on the internet, here's a case study.

you think Sanders is into buying people off? ok

little chummier/more collegial in the Senate

I'm not calling you any names

I think Warren shows more flexibility/less ideological purity than Sanders so yes.

Your prime example is, again, the guy whose calling card was abuse.

don't think this is an accurate depiction of how LBJ maneuvered votes tbh.

and certainly there's no other majority leader/President that manipulated the Senate so thoroughly.

"deathcult" was in response to a post where you literally wished mass death and destruction in lieu of political failure.

purity! time to start happy hour

cheers!

"He's not beloved by 99 of the worst people in the country" is sub-MSNBC analysis - and a strong argument for his election regardless.

I think Warren shows more flexibility/less ideological purity than Sanders so yes.

So you're basically invalidating the vast majority of the arguments about why Warren should be acceptable to progressives. (There's also no sign that it's true.)

I am unaware of and don't really care about those arguments

wait lbj abused people with the smell of his dumps

i was gonna say y'all should stop but i'm learning a lot here

sorry i meant fdr i am very tired

wait no i meant lbj

ignore me

Sanders bipartisan record in the Senate is mostly on the foreign policy side. Warren's is more on the domestic side (and there seems to be a bit more of it, although a breakdown of bills would take some time to analyze)

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lbj had meetings in the shitter, pissed out on the wh lawn so people could see his ding dong, backed ppl into corners and shoved his finger their chest as he towered over them, he was a country ass thug

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brad your run there is the best stretch this thread has had all afternoon

i'm staying late at work today and i'd rather not do the work i'm staying late for

wait lbj abused people with the smell of his dumps

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/18463/lbj-president-who-marked-his-territory

LBJ would have had a secret fetlife account in 2020.

LBJ was known to notoriously leave the bathroom door open during conversations with Senators. Why this detail sticks out to some people idk, LBJ was a generally boorish and uncouth guy who nonetheless knew how to alternately twist arms, be obsequious, or underhanded and manipulative, depending on what the situation called for.

Everyone interested in how shit got done in the Senate in the 20th century should read the last couple volumes of the Caro bios.

LBJ had pants custom-tailored for his huge balls

how shit got done

something lbj sure knew about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GT9UN7nDo&feature=emb_title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GT9UN7nDo

A friend of mine also cites “the bully pulpit” as a response to how Sanders will get things done. I don’t get it.

Whatever passes through Diamond Joe backslapping Manchin and other the other grandees of our worst constitutional institution probably wouldn’t be M4A

it definitely wouldn't be, Biden has repeatedly argued that all we need to do is give Romneycare a li'l tweak or two and America will be running smoothly forever, Fat

"Warren's support seems to be tanking" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when people use her "cratering" as a reason not to support her. To me that seems backwards; I would rather continue my support for her until she's no longer an option, rather than abandon it because other people have. Just me, maybe.

Her slipping in polls even while other candidates drop out is bemusing, and I think she'd make the most effective President, and she certainly has the broader portfolio of detailed and costed policies that would improve the country, the planet and global democracy. However, I've been saying for months that I'd prefer a Bernie / VP Warren or a Warren + Bernie-in-cabinet ticket, because Bernie has strengths as a campaigner against Trump that nobody else in the race holds.

Reading the other week that the Bernie campaign had specifically checked whether a VP Warren could also be Treasury Secretary was fucking thrilling, even if it had turned out the answer was "no." In my life of being vaguely or closely aware of American elections (ie since Bill The Cat's second run), the DNC have either paired Will This Do? with A Grey Piece Of Paper, or paired someone with moderate charisma with an utter personality void.

I don't know that nigh-daily polls tell us anything useful, and the months of campaigning and caucuses are overall a sickness in the US system. (Also, anybody who'd vote for Biden next month is probably disengaged enough from politics that they'll vote for any D with a name they know from TV, come November.) But if the poll slides mean anything, voltronning early would forestall dumbshits for thinking of Warren as a loser, and increase the chances of a ticket that she's on being the one that goes to the polls.

anybody who'd vote for Biden next month is probably disengaged enough from politics

how many retirees do you hang out with

I've been shocked at the oldsters in my family's affection for Dodderin' Joe

but would they not vote for the nice 71-year-old lady if she's had six months of TV ads and interviews by November

what are Biden's policy platforms with which they are most engaged?

the older folks in my family that are leaning joe i would say are primarily focused on beating trump.

Gad you defeatists for the past three hours.

Its the JUDICIARY, dummies. Even if Biden or Bloomberg or Buttigieg don't tickle your nethers, even if you understand that both Bernie and Warren won't have enough of a mandate to get more than a small fraction of their platforms enacted, a Trump reelection means a judiciary packed with Federalist Society cunts for the next several decades.

I will gladly vote for any Dem in November. Among other things, because we're one supreme court justice away from clothes hangar abortions...

I will gladly vote for any Dem in November.

As will everyone but Morbs.

If I broke my "never vote for someone who voted for the Iraq War" pledge in a meaningless red state election once, I can do it again.

Its the JUDICIARY, dummies

still requires Senate votes...

This is a very good argument for Bernie's electability:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/bernie-sanders-message-media-machine-could-be-potent-against-trump

I'm not worried about his electability

Okay. Just read that article and wanted to post it somewhere, and I've quit Twitter, so.

I'm at happy hour. Hve we killed the New Deal