END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

so Rogan withdrew his Gabbard endorsement?

rogan still sucks

well yeah

well, yeah

jinx

Top 3 YT comments, all recent, in response to last year's Bernie interview:

jesus fricken christ, I just realized that I allowed my opinion of this guy to be designed by everyone else. I actually like this dude.

This is really making me think, before now all i'd seen of Bernie is conservative videos and hit pieces, but he sounds really interesting and intelligent when given the time to give a full statement.

Wow... I thought this man was a complete lunatic but he sounds like an intelligent man who knows what he's talking about. The American media and American voters completely destroyed my opinion of Bernie... I feel so bad for him.

Say what you will about Rogan, this is all encouraging stuff.

Then go to a video of Rogan talking about trans women, and see how encouraging you think those comments are

Hope it helps Bernie beat Biden, but Rogan clearly sucks

we've been over this elsewhere but unfortunately Rogan is pretty much the only place you can go do to a long-form interview and discuss your ideas at length without interruption that gets a ton of receptive eyeballs.

this is more an indictment of American media than it is a compliment towards Rogan

Say what you will about Rogan

ok: he sucks complete goddamn ass

Simon sadly otm.

If Bernie is going to be president he is going to need lots of people far worse than Rogan to vote for him. If he's able to do that without changing his message thats great

We may have forgotten to note that the NYT sucks too, post their endorsement of Warren Klobuchar, although search is currently broken for me

I find it hard to believe we could have gone a day without pointing out NYT sucks, but if true it's definitely an oversight.

Yeah as a trans woman, reading the comments on the various Twitter threads just makes me super-excited to have Rogan's fans brought into the fold.

yeah yeah but remember! Separate fans from the candidate!

it's not like by voting for someone else these people will suddenly go away

even the worst people shoud be welcome in supporting the right candidate—not least because they're injuring their own cause

"can you wipe the grime off of the ballot when they hand them in?" is kind of the eternal question of getting votes

FOr me this is no different than the "we have to go after rural diner NYT article voters." No thanks. Let's just get the nonvoters activated and stop vote suppression instead.

even the worst people shoud be welcome in supporting the right candidate—not least because they're injuring their own cause

Alternatively, depending on numbers, they may be injuring MY cause.

only to the extent they influence the candidate

The nonvoters aren't necessarily good people either, I'm afraid.

true

getting bigots on board with Bernie—and inclined to defend him—is more likely to influence their thinking than his

What a bizarre idea

Separate fans from the candidate!

DJT, former big fan of the Clintons and Pelosi

xp sorry I don't have a lot of trust in that

you think Bernie Sanders is going to start adopting the positions of Joe Rogan YT commenters?

Otm. Can’t say I’m enthused about Rogan either - he’s way too much of an enthusiastic mainstreamer of extremists and is laundering a lot of malign ideas by hosting certain guests. But I guess Bernie isn’t fucking around and he’ll take the support where it comes from.

not too concerned about Roganheads influencing Bernie tbh. he never changes, remember?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mayor-bernie-sanders-created-an-80s-trans-mecca-in-burlington

getting bigots on board with Bernie—and inclined to defend him—is more likely to influence their thinking than his

― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII),

I'm not following this.

Rogans audience aren't more or less bigoted than NYT readers

It's not really about 'adopting positions', it's about what policies to focus on and invest political capital in. Bernie can be the greatest person on earth, it's not a comforting idea that he'll rely on transphobes for reelection.

If Warren wins, she will have relied on transphobes for re-election also

I'm not going to apologize for not being thrilled about an influx of "no bIOlogiCAL MEn IN WOmen'S sPOrTS" chowderheads into the Bernie camp, sorry. Lie down with dogs etc.

and she tried to go on Rogan herself

With newfound respect for a political leader comes greater openness to their *other* ideas as well, be it only up to a point. I'm surprised this is controversial.

It's admittedly not much but…

It's not 'controversial' as much as it seems completely wrong

Identifying with a particular group for reason x makes you more receptive to adjacent, initially less appealing reasons y and z.

i dont care if rogan likes bernie, i do care that bernie's camp promotes the endorsement as worthwhile

That's fair.

no president has ever been elected by refusing to lie down with dogs

we can only try to support the candidate least likely to get up with them, too

no dem nominee, for that matter

[Rogan] endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign[76] and Gary Johnson in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.[77]

Johnson to Bernie in four years?

i dont care if rogan likes bernie, i do care that bernie's camp promotes the endorsement as worthwhile

― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison),

He went on the show so why wouldn't he? Is there an idea here that Warren didn't attempt the same strategy?

With newfound respect for a political leader comes greater openness to their *other* ideas as well, be it only up to a point. I'm surprised this is controversial.

Yeah, idg how this is wrong. What does it even mean for someone to be a leader otherwise?

i'm sorry this tangent is even happening, obv way to go bernie for getting that pretty massive audience, and no i don't believe that this endorsement means we're getting president joe rogan though that's surely not too far down the line. i just hate joe rogan and that he has an audience at all, nothing i can do about that. also liz otm

i dont care if rogan likes bernie, i do care that bernie's camp promotes the endorsement as worthwhile

― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Friday, January 24, 2020 8:21 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk i tuned this out after the "hot girls like bernie" memes started happening the other week

And outside of Bernie, I just can't get with the idea that Rogans giant audience is somehow TooFarGone and irredeemable, or some homogenous mass that can't be engaged with. I don't see how shunning works better than engaging

The problem is that Rogan is also an influential leader for his fans, so unless you're claiming that Rogan's support for Bernie will compel Rogan to rethink his transphobia, it seems overly optimistic to think Bernie's position on this will filter through Rogan to Rogan's fans.

Alright that sentence is a mess--basically this argument can't be settled as determining how and why political views change is notoriously difficult to do empirically.

can’t believe bernie got rogan cooties and now his campaign is 100% transphobic. disgusting