Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

uh

why?

just a lame name joke... don't read too much into me

speaking of bernie and bullshit (and bernie and bullshit and bernie and bullshit), forgive me if this was already posted but it's fun to watch

"I don't tolerate bullshit terribly well" - @BernieSanders #TheWeeklyNYT pic.twitter.com/SKN48EkAPv

— People for Bernie (@People4Bernie) January 20, 2020

is that Brent Staples?

yep

On one hand I admire the no-bullshit; on the other, I worry about a Sanders administration's relationship with Congress because bullshitting and backslapping them is the only way to deal with them. I'm reading Carter fan/staffer Stuart Eizenstat's Carter biography and am reminded anew of how a Dem majority after the first year couldn't work with him.

But the point's moot if the Senate stays GOP.

opinion columnists don't have seats on the editorial board apparently
― international sword swallower, producer and creative director (bizarro gazzara), Monday, January 20, 2020 9:02 AM

Opinion columnists do. Op-ed columnists don't.

opinion columnists are NYT employees, while op-ed columnists are not and have no regular standing or regular appearances

Ah, right yes. But Liz Bruenig is employed by the NYT, right? That's what's confusing me about the exchange above.

Oh right, I've got it now.

It's very different to what I'm used to in the UK, where the equivalent of an editorial board would be the "leader writers". The Guardian has many senior opinion writers on staff who have nothing to do with the unsigned editorials aka "leaders", though some of them do.

I don't think that's exactly right. Op-ed columnists include outside contributors but also regulars like Brooks, Krugman, Douthat, Collins, Stephens, Bouie, Goldberg, and Dowd. Opinion writers are members of the Editorial Board who often write unsigned editorials but also occasionally write pieces under their own byline.

Also, Liz Bruenig writes for the Washington Post, IIRC.

(Sorry, my first sentence was in response to Aimless, if that wasn't clear.)

Liz Bruenig has moved from the Post to the Times

Oh, I missed that! Good hire.

One thing that confuses me is that it does seem like there are other Opinion writers who don't sit on the board and also aren't op-ed columnists.

For instance, Aisha Harris has a bio on the Editorial Board page that says "Because of her areas of expertise, the editorial board asked Ms. Harris to join its endorsement process, though she is not an official member."

Also, Opinion just published a series on surveillance written by Charlie Warzel (on the Board) and Stuart Thompson (not on the Board).

The editorial board consists of the people on the editorial board

All this is making me think that the NYT editorial board takes itself very seriously

That is a fair assumption.

On the few newspapers I am most familiar with, there is an editorial board which is responsible for unsigned editorials stating the 'official' views of the newspaper. Next there are opinion columnists who are employees whose work appears on a regular schedule, as bylined opinion columns, and who may or may not be included on the editorial board. Lastly, there are guest columnists whose opinions appear on the editorial pages and are bylined, but who are not employees and have no regular standing. These last I hear termed as op-ed pieces, as opposed to official editorials or regularly appearing opinion columns.

That's how I've understood this terminology for a couple of decades now. Doesn't mean I'm right, but this has not been contradicted by any specific new information during that time.

This making the band thing the editorial board did was highly embarrassing.

It may be that those in the second tier aren't actually employees but on long-standing writing contracts to deliver a certain number or frequency of columns. Someone like Krugman, for example. At least that's the way it works with a lot of big-name columnists in the UK, even when they've been closely associated with a certain paper for years.

Has bruenig actually written anything for the Times yet? It figures that the one socialist who gets to write opinion pieces for the papers of record would be a pro-life weirdo

My friend has a vendetta against her for that and other reasons and since I don’t have a stake in it otherwise I decided I hate her too

That's the only "good" reason AFAICT

She also has “mama” in her twitter bio which is inexcusable.

apropos of nothing, do I have some kind of cursed pattern in my data profile or are others heavily being advertised the mike bloomberg campaign on youtube

yes and yes

I've seen more Bloomberg TV ads than all the Presidential ads combined in my life.

they say, when you've got it, flaunt it

I think Krugs is an employee. At least I used to see him in the cafeteria when I worked there.

figures that the one socialist who gets to write opinion pieces for the papers of record would be a pro-life weirdo

Yup I was in the exact same boat lol

lmaooo

pic.twitter.com/RBkGB44jFa

— Jules (@Julian_Epp) January 21, 2020

rip big man, heaven needed a hollow-eyed corporate ghoul animated solely by barely-repressed rage

Buttigieg pleads with silent crowd in Iowa to cheer for him: “come on”https://t.co/8i60dXRKDm pic.twitter.com/jPJcEsdy4x

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) January 21, 2020

please clap

i like liz bruenig xp

she does not advocate for rolling back reproductive rights

not that i want to get into it. but she's definitely more distinctive than most of the columnists out there.

Yeah I mean I’m glad she’s out there but I guess it just irritates me that she’s the one demsoc (-adjacent?) voice allowed in the msm.

it’s totally my own hang up and don’t want to make common cause w new atheism weirdos, but I grew up S. Baptist and honestly religious people just annoy the shit out of me.

On the morning a new CNN poll shows Sanders leading among women and democratic voters of color another piece on the bros https://t.co/rgocLmVSJ5

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 22, 2020

somehow i had missed this fun lawsuit:

Presidential candidate and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) is suing former Secretary of State and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for defamation. The $50 million lawsuit centers on remarks that Clinton made recently when she suggested that one of the 2020 Democratic candidates was being groomed for a third-party run and that he or she was a “Russian asset.” Clinton never singled out Gabbard by name.

of course, clinton was obviously referring to bernie

fascinating: CNN asked if Dems wld feel enthusiastic-or-satisfied vs disatisfied-or-upset if a candidate won

Biden: 72% vs 26% (upset: 9%)
Sanders: 77% vs 23% (upset: 10%)
Warren: 72% vs 24% (upset: 7%)

For Nov., this isn't the splintered party we read about, incl. for Sanders.

— Taniel (@Taniel) January 22, 2020

b-b-but Sanders voters will switch to Trump, i read it on the Twitter

sanders and sanders supporters are perfect and if anyone is criticizing them it's bc they love oppression and capitalism and want to kill and drink the blood of hungry babies

it's true, americans are voting to elect sanders supporters

there are good people on both sides

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) is suing former Secretary of State and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for defamation

This is straight out of Trump's playbook.

SOMEBODY in this room of a dozen people is an asshole!

*one of the dozen people immediately filed a defamation lawsuit in response*