Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

Fred to your second point, you are being disingenuous or really again just have no idea what you're talking about

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2020/01/10/iowa-caucuses-2020-iowa-poll-bernie-sanders-first-place/4427736002/

increasringly leaning toward "str8 troll" theory in that other thread

If you look at the whole race, instead of cherry-picking a single poll, Biden is pretty clearly the frontrunner: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

And Tom Perez is the face of the DNC. Clinton is the last nominee, no need to call her anything else.

The idea that I'm being disingenuous or a troll for stating something really kinda basic mostly shows how far away from reality the Sanders discourse can be.

I mean, all she had to say was a variation on "Donald Trump is an existential threat, and while Bernie isn't my candidate, I'll campaign for him should he win the primary. "

Fred stop it, I wrote "arguably" which it is because a) I referred particularly to Iowa and b) I knew you'd make it an argument

"Tom Perez is the face of the DNC"

lol

If one in one hundred Americans know who Tom Perez is I'll eat Fred's shoes.

Sure, but you could say the same about the DNC anyway, so...

if after thousands of these tussles you still haven't registered "DNC" as shorthand for "broader Dem establishment" I don't know what to tell you

It's still crap

if after thousands of these tussles you still haven't registered "DNC" as shorthand for "broader Dem establishment" I don't know what to tell you

Yes; it's not a set of initials that refers to an actual thing - it's a trigger word, like "neoliberal."

Oh, great.

Also the 538 forecast for Iowa is that Biden has a 37% chance of winning, and Bernie has 20%.

efective derail, shame on me

. I'm normally an HRC defender but jesus christ this is not helpful and she should go away for a while.

Is it really that unhelpful to Bernard?

v excited for everyone to forget this by tomorrow

anyway I concede your point, Fred, that an ill-advised comment by Hillary Clinton which ZEPHYR TEACHOUT JOE BIDEN BERBIE BROS!

I mean, all she had to say was a variation on "Donald Trump is an existential threat, and while Bernie isn't my candidate, I'll campaign for him should he win the primary. "

Yeah, the irony of endlessly attacking one of the leading candidates for not being a team player is frankly breathtaking.

If you wanna teachout, teachout.

some truly hilarious, bordering-on-science-fiction takes itt. never change, ILX H*ll*ry Threads

"Tom Perez is the face of the DNC"

lol no normal person knows who he is

i've shaken Z Teachout's hand; she's a winner

Ironically HRC’s comments will only solidify Sanders’s support among ‘deplorables’ , to the extent he has some...but that won’t be of much help until and unless he gets the nomination.

i met hillary in 2000. She leaned in close to my ear and, apropos of nothing, whispered "You know Bernie Sanders from Vermont? I have already begun my obsessive plan to destroy him, and America. Tell no one." This knowledge has been a burden on me for 20 years.

she said that phase 1 of her diabolical obsessive plan would be to say medium-critical things about him when asked about him occasionally in relevant interviews. phase 2 ... is too horrible to even repeat. ride toward the sound of the guns, friends.

This is why ILX exists, to unburden troubled souls.

her main plan in 2000 was pretending to be a New Yorker

to say medium-critical things about him

ok lol

hillary scorning someone as a 'career politician' is magical

and to have this come out on the first day of the senate trial well i never

all coincidental, the magic of the universe

Yeah, hard disagree with "medium critical" (and it was only relevant in the interview bc she had made the comments in a documentary about her and has done similarly earlier in a book she wrote) but I do see this as petty and unpleasant more than diabolical.

yes true - in this interview about a 2016 campaign documentary, her comment was "only relevant" because they were talking something she said in the documentary about a major figure in the 2016 campaign. Wow yeah what a bizarrely personal obsession she has with bringing him up, enough already lady, america cant take much more of this!!

Don't be melodramatic.

I will: Trump is beating Biden in November. There, saved us all 9-1/2 months.

and it will all be Sanders' and Jill Stein's fault again

I never played Ft. Sumter.

tbf everything SHOULD be blamed on Jill Stein

but what about Comey? and the Russian bots? and and and

I hope everyone works as hard for Bernie when he wins the 2020 primary as Bernie worked for the 2016 nominee. https://t.co/CQ9gZ24Ngh pic.twitter.com/9jJo3JGCUk

— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) December 6, 2019

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— Nathan Bernard (@nathanTbernard) January 21, 2020

Here's the thing: Hillary Clinton is a narcissist. That's not the worst charge you can lob at a politician -- many of them are. Perhaps even most once you get to a certain level. But she clearly is one, and a fragile one. The fact that anyone even mounted a credible challenge to her in the primary is a deep narcissistic wound. And the fact that that same person now has a distinct chance of winning the Democratic primary while she sits on the sidelines is daily salt on that wound. So, like any narcissist, she has repeatedly lashed out.

tbh I wish she hadn't said it because I am really not up for yet another round of Bernie fans pleasuring themselves while shrieking about how terrible Hillary Clinton is

^^^

anyone who doesnt know she is terrible is lost, so i agree

yeah it sucks she keeps proving us right

ahrieking eh? sounds like a calumny vs female Sanders supporters

djp otm

someone desperately needs to shorten your election cycles

for real, I am already completely exhausted by this primary

xp lol

also not looking forward to super-defensive diehard Clinton fans bending over backwards to justify this nonsense

yes true - in this interview about a 2016 campaign documentary, her comment was "only relevant" because they were talking something she said in the documentary about a major figure in the 2016 campaign. Wow yeah what a bizarrely personal obsession she has with bringing him up, enough already lady, america cant take much more of this!!

Idk if she brings him while watching HGTV if that's your point. I maintain that the number of times she has made these sorts of comments since 2016 significantly exceeds the number of times I've seen anyone else attack an intra-party opponent they defeated and who endorsed and campaigned for them afterwards.