THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

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I had thought Lansky had a major role in the 1919 Black Sox scandal, but it was more Arnold Rothstein's thing

You may have been misled by Rothstein’s stand-in in The Great Gatsby, Meyer Wolfsheim

...played in the boring Redford-Farrow film version by Italian-American great Howard da Silva

lol typical

but the reverse w/ Sonny Corleone

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Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:55:48 AM
I Hear You Shepp Naches

Someone probably linked it 2 weeks ago, but I highly recommend our ol' pal nabisco's piece on the film (centered on the curb-stomping ridicule) in the NYT Mag dated Jan 5.

another thing i had noticed was how many of the "favors" Frank performs are immediately after an implied threat which lets him know where he stands, or immediately after Russ has said or done something ingratiating to him. i.e. he gives him a ring which brings him into his circle more, and immediately tells him it's time for Hoffa to go.

in the narration he talks about doing things not for money, but out of respect. it's more out of fear and out of a misplaced sense of gratitude.

This movie felt like homework

final grade:

TONY. All the grades are TONY.

*slaps roof of movie* this baby can fit so many Tonys in it.

CRAZY RICH ASIANS was a big hit, so I tried to watch it, and gave up 10 minutes in because it wasn’t for me and nobody was going to quiz me on it anyway, it’s a throwaway romcom

This, this is SCORSESE PACINO DENIRO PESCI so it’s required reading, yes there will be a test, and all I got out of it was 1) DO let your wife smoke in the car, ffs, you’ll get there so much faster 2) DON’T let your son put a fish in the car, everybody is going to make a fuss if he does

This movie felt like homework

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The problem with making a 3 hour movie about Hoffa is the only “surprise” is when he goes into the crematorium - that’s how they did it!!!

I really wanted to like Pro, because he’s one of the only interesting characters, but Hoffa’s right about him, he’s just an ass

i liked it better the second time around tbh, and appreciated how Scorsese almost exclusively threw out his usual stylistic decisions w/a few pointed exceptions. it was almost closer to Silence in terms of cinematic flourishes (if not story) than it was to something like Casino. i think he was practicing a bit of restraint w/the former film and it carried over to this story, which was obv intended to not be a thrilling ride through the world of the mob (esp since Frank never takes such a ride, he's on the outside).

I didn’t hate this or anything but I’m sure never gonna watch it again.

No one watching this was expecting to be ... surprised, were they?

As i've said, i saw this twice at MoMA and BOTH times people screamed in SURPRISE when Hoffa was whacked.

I was surprised at the brilliant de Niro phone call performance.

same

i think if you don't know the particulars of the (rumored) manner in which Hoffa was killed, the way the scene is filmed doesn't telegraph it. It just happens suddenly. De Niro even takes out his gun in a way that isn't telegraphed.

I was very sceptical at the prospect of a cgi-ed de Niro playing a much younger person but was surprised how much I barely thought about it. Until some comments after about his comedy hardman granddad gait in some of the violent scenes after I'd watched it. But who cares?

It's what it is

This movie is definitely what it is

Good to know Morbs’ colleagues at the museum screening had no idea that Hoffa got murked by mobsters in an unremarkable midwestern suburb

one of my favorite deliveries in the film (non-meat delivery category, but rather dialogue delivery category) is "They're more than a little concerned. There's widespread concern."

like a Trump lackey talking to an unmoved president

there are no episodes

Yes, it was a "joke" about how a lot of people watch it on Netflix in chunks as if there were

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took me a month to finish this on the elliptical at the Y

Man that musta been a tiring workout

you have sinned against the primal forces of nature, sic

i cannot think of a worse way to watch it aside from maybe patchy 5 minute intervals while riding a subway

i hear you transfer at union square

actually sic i'll watch the Tarantella epic that way

oops I don't go to the Y

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actually sic i'll watch the Tarantella epic that way

don't be ridiculous

a three-hour film should only take three hour-ish sessions to watch, not four

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I wouldn’t say that there was subtlety in the rest of the editing, but simplicity. Deceptive simplicity. The violence needed to be very stripped down, with no flashy editing, no flashy camera moves. It’s very quick, and shot in a very ordinary way. No wide shots, not a thousand different cuts and crane shots and things that Marty’s done in the past with violence. Here he wanted to show the banality of it. He wanted to show that it’s just a job for Frank. And so the utter simplicity of his movie was something new for me to adjust to—and the sound editors as well, because [Scorsese] kept saying he didn’t even want amplified sound effects. For example, when people walk across a room, the sound editors usually create effects for that, and we add them in. Marty didn’t even want those.

stoked for part 3 of this, very much enjoyed the first two episodes

RIP to Chuckie O'Brien, who died of an apparent heart attack yesterday at age 86.

hope he had some nice fish before he went

Avoided details of this thread, more or less, because I only just watched this movie this weekend. Of course it's not bad - acting, direction and so on all on point - but I've seen this story so many times before, a couple of times from the same director with the same cast, that there's only so much it could offer. Its biggest distinction was its length, which is not to say it was necessarily too long, just long enough to go another 45 minutes or so (which is to say, a few more decades in character age) past where those other movies would have ended, which does lend it an elegiac quality that, say, GoodFellas or Casino lacked (and to be fair didn't need).

youve seen this story?

Not literally *this* story, just its basic beats and style by way of not just Scorsese but all his subsequent imitators. "We had a system. Johnny Tomato would pass Jimmy the Face the cash, then Jimmy would get that cash to Tommy Big Nose. Tommy Big Nose was smart, but he was also lazy, and when Tony Trombone saw him sleeping on the job, let's just say the two had a disagreement." Cut to Tommy Big Nose's body in a pool of blood while "Under the Boardwalk" plays.

"Actually, we're very concerned."

I'd be interested in seeing statistics on percentage of voice-over narration before and after Goodfellas.

to me the differences... were the difference

(xpost to my own post): Put that in the seemed-like-a-good-idea-at-the-time department.

Another big difference between this one and its predecessors, besides letting the characters live long enough to get really old, was of course more or less writing women out of it entirely, which of course also meant no token nag/harridan character a la GoodFellas and Casino. I wonder if there was an earlier draft that included 15 minutes of Frank get yelled at by his daughter.

But again, it's much longer than those other movies. There were more similarities than differences, imo, but rather than cut some of those similarities they just made it longer to allow for some new stuff. Pretty indulgent, in that regard, even if I didn't think it was too long and even if I liked it just fine. Better than Casino, iirc.