bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Lisa Nandy’s dad/the ghost of Ralph Miliband as write-in leader and deputy

it would be nice to see some old unreconstructed commies embarrassing their kids for a change!

Just catching on Zarah's speech. Defending her by posting like never before, if necessary.

The civil war will go on until we have the threat of deselections.

Margaret Thatcher was famously hated for introducing the Human Rights Act & National Minimum Wage after a century of trade union campaigning. Her Sure Start programme & Tax Credits were also deeply unpopular. She also had record police levels & almost ended rough sleeping. 🤦🏻‍♂️ https://t.co/VsMqzJrJ0x

— Neil Coyle (@coyleneil) January 16, 2020

A fucking labour MP licking Thatcher's arse, I know there's plenty of crypto-tories in the party but this ain't even crypto.

Although I find Comrade Alph's current obsession with deselection distracting and parodically Jacobin-like, I'd happily throw that cunt, Coyle, out of the party and preferably into the nearest gutter.

It's not an obsession (it came up when myself and Matt have been talking on here) but I've wanted deselections for years. Big failure of Corbyn to do 'broad church'.

The Conservatives know what it's all about. All the remainers have been kicked.

I don't bang on about it every single day.

Choo fuckin’ choo, centrists. That comment from Coyle is a disgrace.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECcxXBPXkAAd4lE?format=jpg&name=large

Looks like Tom and I share the diaspora shame burden here

@tartanarse Irish, then Scottish as it goes.

— Neil Coyle (@coyleneil) December 7, 2015

Just another Plastic Paddy/Jock.

Citizen's Assemblies have the advantage of being non-party based* - the alternative from Mr Penniless appears to be beef up the Labour Party's policies and (checks notes) win a resounding victory in the December 2019 election.

*which means they are also a lifeline for any Tories that would like less of a fucked earth - with a closer parliament it might be possible to peel some support off, but an 80-strong majority means that individual defections get exponentially less likely.

They are also a lifeline for any Tories that might reasonably suspect that the response will be "fuck the global south", but if that's the case, what is there to be done?

Wait for the rich to come around so we don’t continue hustling towards extinction?

Hurtling ffs

"They are also a lifeline for any Tories that might reasonably suspect that the response will be "fuck the global south", but if that's the case, what is there to be done?"

To convince the undecideds, showing leadership and selling a programme of change. Not everyone goes around going "fuck the global south" and the ones that do aren't to be engaged.

that Coyle is another safe seat wasteman who thinks he has a huge majority because he's such a fine fellow, you could put a sandbag in a red rosette to replace that cunt and it would still have a majority of 10000+

But none of that is important - it doesn't fucking matter what the climate change policy of the leader of the Labour Party is, and it won't matter for five years - by which time it won't fucking matter.

(policy in the sense of "what we'll do when we're in power" - non-party options like a Citizens Assembly are one of the few things that might work - as well as take to the streets)

Take it to the streets is better. Strikes, withdrawing our Labour to win concessions on climate is better.

Citizen's assemblies sounds like a talking shop that the Tories could use to show they are listening when they won't be.

Bless you

Make sense.

Ian Cunt

Ha ha ha, oh no, heaven forfend that anyone would ever do such a thing to a politician pic.twitter.com/R3Tfdua3pi

— Flying_Rodent (@flying_rodent) January 16, 2020

Corbyn looks worse. Like a drunk that stumbled into the studio.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) November 19, 2019

Corbyn: "The blindfold Brexit they're cooking up is a bridge to nowhere and a leap in the dark." Christ alive that's a lot of metaphors.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) October 15, 2018

Labour's People's Vote stitch up: Corbyn and McDonnell's attempt to kill off a second referendum is as cynical as you could imagine https://t.co/LTr02hSa7Z

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) September 24, 2018

It's time for the Corbyn left to confront its Putin problem https://t.co/gYztfIB9C3

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) September 20, 2018

He is ten times the politician Corbyn is.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) March 23, 2018

Not a new observation but if you made one of those centrist parody accounts and posted the exact content ID does and you called it “Ian Dunt” ppl would criticise it for being a shade too obvious

Him and his gang of merry pumpers seem a bit lost without Corbyn. Not saying they had quality control previously but that cartoon they put out the other day was profoundly stupid and embarrassing.

They’ve all got fucking brain worms, HL being “amused” as though she’s ever written anything so insightful in her life. Too busy getting angry about trans people and interviewing fascists.

This piece has given me a deeper understanding of Corbyn supporters' reaction to the election result. (I'm amused by the segue from attacking press bias to the revelation the author showed a draft of it to Corbyn's director of communications). https://t.co/nZ3lh9SvYF

— Helen Lewis (@helenlewis) January 15, 2020

Tbh even I have been struggling to get my head around the dissonance between "this is the last election to stop climate change" and "this is a long term project, even if we don't win it's an important transitional moment".

The classic Big Dunty moment was back when he praised the 2015 Harman-era Labour for not voting against the Referendum Bill. Oops.

Jon Trickett has a good piece in Tribune

Too many people in too many communities experience a loss of agency; the power to control their own lives, to make a difference, and to have a voice which can make itself heard. Instead, they sense they’re in a place where changes happen to them. https://t.co/VOPlZ0vE68

— Jon Trickett (@jon_trickett) January 14, 2020

Tbh even I have been struggling to get my head around the dissonance between "this is the last election to stop climate change" and "this is a long term project, even if we don't win it's an important transitional moment".

― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I saw people doing the first during the election. Are the same people doing the second?

Ian Dunt has just re-posted a quickly rebuffed piece that has RLB 'backing abortions'.

swooping abruptly in from my self-imposed break from *waves hand dismally, ugh* bcz this classic-dunty-moment revisionism SHALL NOT STAND:

My new Erotic Review piece, almost entirely on Tony Blair's penis, is here: http://tiny.cc/gv2yz.Unfortunately it's behind a paywall.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) October 7, 2010

What were old Tony’s views on the subject? Seem to recall he was personally not a fan but wasn’t in favour of changing the law, ie pro choice.

Imagine being inspired to write by Tony Blair's cock - why didn't he commit honour suicide after realising he'd done this? Oh I forgot his deformed psychological make-up is so imbued with supreme smugness and arrogance that self criticism isn't even a remote possibility.

lol

Alarm bells ring as The Daily Telegraph pulls out of ABC audits

"The ABC metric is not the key metric behind our subscription strategy and not how we measure our success," TMG said - as the IPA says it is "extremely concerned" by the move.https://t.co/iCmpGOsi8g pic.twitter.com/yAh98GRIvE

— Mediatel News (@MediatelNews) January 16, 2020

"the lurkers support our model via DM" — the daily telegraph

Just caught up with the Nandy interview with Neil. That was seriously impressive.

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) January 15, 2020

I'm almost glad my local MP lost her seat in December for liking this comment!

12 times fewer have registered to vote in the leadership election vs 2016, apparently. 2016 was special, but still, 12?

registering to vote?

I thought all members vote - registering?

members get a vote but also you can sign up to become an affiliated supporter and get a vote also

oh right..what was the figure of affiliated supporters voting last time?

That vote got 100k registered supporters because there was a principle at stake. This is a leadership election...

ah yes ... I'd argue it is still the same this time but i'll shut up ..it's late!

I'd have thought that most of the surge of registered supporters five years ago would have become the surge in memberships since then, though - this figure if it show anything probably shows that there's less #NeverCorbyn's returning.

But it might not show anything since a) it's cheaper just to join the party for a few months and b) there's two and a half months of this left.

Alternatively it's yet another sign that the much longed-for centrist unseen majority doesn't really exist*. Starmer and Nandy in different ways both seem to understand that - I'm not sure some of the commentators praising them have cottoned on yet.

*As should be completely obvious from the election result but hey.

12 times fewer have registered to vote in the leadership election vs 2016, apparently. 2016 was special, but still, 12?

Surges in membership usually follow things like leadership elections, general elections, and we’ve had two of each since then. I know a good amount of ex Labour members who’ve rejoined to vote, but don’t intend to stay back in the party. I also rejoined after not being a member (for seven years?) but I’ll see if I stay too tbh.

It's ace being a member, if you buzz off pdf's of local CLP meetings

real heads know ward-level is where it's at

branch officers and GC delegates' reports? directly into my veins

Weirdly, I used to get content from the Highbury East Labour Party when I was briefly a member in a nearby constituency. I have a parliamentary report from Jeremy Cromblyn from February 2011 that says stuff like this (bold his)

Finally, I feel very angry at the economic strategy being followed in this country and being followed with such aggression in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. It is neither necessary, nor right.