bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

xp I’m not convinced by this? There’s loads of people called Richard Parker (and tigers too)

sorry I meant Out Of Context Cork account

Still if there was a whiff of that around RLB there would be a feeding frenzy and she'd be gone already.

How the fuck do both of ye know about this account before I do? Disgusting.

fuck the double standards and I do believe Jess is bent as a nine pound note, even if Loki hasn't quite hit the motherlode there!

Sorry nm I thought it was comrade alphabet replying the first time, it’s the centrist brain worms trying their best

Lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOO3JAhW4AAt2rM?format=jpg&name=large

It’s incoherent to have campaigned for a second referendum on Brexit but to be completely closed to a second referendum on Scottish independence.

— Stephen Bush (@stephenkb) January 13, 2020

I hope she gets more pelters than Boris did

I'm more worried that growing numbers of the membership aren't as at odds with the PLP as previously. Hence the irresistible rise of the great white melt.

My anecdotal experience is leading me to think the same, tbh - membership got majorly shook by the last defeat and are v likely to vote in a Competent Manager type like Starmer.

RLB needs to come out strong, it's a marathon not a sprint and I hope to god she is using her time well right now and preparing an absolutely storming campaign. I'm not that hopeful though tbh. Bleak times :(

I get the Stoya reference with prize pillock Mason now, but what is the Spice reference about?

paul 'atreides' mason

One of the good things is that RLB appears to have refused to let Milne and Murphy have any involvement in her campaign. That's pissed some people off but it's a smart move, she needs to be her own person and involving those two would have been suicidal.

"My anecdotal experience is leading me to think the same, tbh - membership got majorly shook by the last defeat and are v likely to vote in a Competent Manager type like Starmer."

Mine too but it's a good thing this is going on till March and hopefully most people will vote till they see the debates. A lot on RLB though.

xxp

the sleeper has awakened... now somebody slap his stupid fucking with a wet kipper!

face!

So the challenge for RLB is to establish herself as a competent pair of hands and undermine Starmer as one. And it's not just being competent yourself, it's knowing how to surround yourself with a competent team and not just bringing in yes men like Richard Burgon.

Things like the Green Industrial Revolution are fantastic but they aren't going to win her the leadership. {People know the left can do future-thinking big picture stuff, it needs to reassure people it can get the day-to-day basics right as well.

Meanwhile it's worth considering that Starmer, assuming he's so inclined, doesn't need to spend ages undermining Corbyn and the left because the likes of Jess Phillips will be in the race doing that for him. Barring a weird Nandy surge or a Starmer implosion it's going to come down to RLB and Starmer and who can gather the most second preferences.

The importance of the team is being underplayed rn. The Blair cabinet was almost as important as him, despite all the then-wailing about Presidential politics. Brown in particular.

I think we're about to find out that the membership of the Labour Party is nowhere near as left as has been assumed - and that includes a lot of former Corbyn supporters.

Her campaign needs to be good but from the one meeting I went to she is never going to be the competence candidate among the managers who will vote Starmer. They probably went for Owen Smith.

It's probably more to do with winning over the people who voted Corbyn twice, would've never looked at Starmer and are shattered by the defeat. So in a sense it's for her to say that competence isn't enough.

wheeeeeee

BREAKING: The UK government has refused permission to allow the Scottish government to hold an #indyref2 https://t.co/Dvlazx3iSQ pic.twitter.com/Mlo1hSniKR

— BBC Scotland News (@BBCScotlandNews) January 14, 2020

least breaking breaking

Nice timing there for Jess Phillips' trip to Glasgow.

So in a sense it's for her to say that competence isn't enough.

Competence on its own isn't enough, but it's a basic requirement, and we already know she can do vision. What people aren't sure she can provide is competence, so she has to establish confidence in that first precisely *because* those people are shattered by the defeat. Otherwise they're going to come to the conclusion that the vision doesn't matter if the Tories have another 80-seat majority in five years. If RLB doesn't address that, she's going to lose.

Oh Christ, I hadn’t seen her attempting to own Sturgeon on twitter.

@NicolaSturgeon The idea that the answer to the UK leaving a union with our most important trading partner is for Scotland to leave a union with her most important trading partner only makes sense if you’re a nationalist. You want to talk to me about threats to Scotland (1/2) https://t.co/jp5ztiH4vw

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) January 13, 2020

The SNP’s abject failings on education and health show that it is your administration that remains a threat to opportunity and equality for working people in Scotland. (2/2)

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) January 13, 2020

lol totally out of her depth..again.

jess bringing a spoon to a knife fight

She is such a fool, Wee Nick will eat her for breakfast.

I think a workable solution with the Labour membership could be the good ol' 19th century USA practice of "cooping" voters. Back then crime gangs like the Pug Uglies would lure voters into bars, get them pissed and then take them to a dingy cellar where they'd get beaten and tortured for hours until you'd "persuaded" them to be compliant voters, who would then employ cunning disguises to vote for your candidate multiple times!

Presumably being encouraged by the lurkers in emails the famous yoon author who doesn’t like trans people or socialism

"Competence on its own isn't enough, but it's a basic requirement, and we already know she can do vision."

There is competence as an actual thing and there's the way in which this functions in Lab and it seems like an empty buzzword used by people who thought Owen Smith was a good idea, and who have no vision whatsoever and think they can manage a burning world.

RLB will need to show she can communicate all the good stuff from the manifesto to give the people who are playing with the idea of voting for Starmer some confidence that she can do so in an election.

David Graeber OTM over and over again in this long NYRB blogpost: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/01/13/the-center-blows-itself-up-care-and-spite-in-the-brexit-election/

Yeah there's a difference between man-in-a-suit competence and actual competence. FWIW I think Starmer is going to be broadly competent as an administrator - certainly more than a clown like Owen Smith. What he's lacking the is the ability to inspire, basically he's very very dull and that's going to come into play against Johnson eventually.

If the likes of Chuka Umunna or Chris Leslie had really been competent political players, they would have stuck closer to the leadership, provided support, kept their heads down, and they'd be in with a chance of the leadership now. But they weren't as good as they thought they were, shot their mouths off and eviscerated their careers.

not necessarily the thread but love this and it ties into Priti Patel yesterday denying media racism - part of the problem being that she is asked at all if she agrees it is there by people who know exactly what her answer will be (as much a problem as turds like Piers Morgan, who in 2016 tweeted that Muhammed Ali has said more racist things than Trump, demanding proof of it that fits their narrow little ideas of what it means)

- Phillip Schofield: “what examples do you have (of racism against Meghan)?”

- @SholaMos1: “That’s another problem. When people keep asking ‘what examples?’, it makes me question where have you been the last two years.”

What an interview.

pic.twitter.com/9yfu1njOKq

— Nadine White (@Nadine_Writes) January 13, 2020

wait a minute, is David Graeber in fact...... anvil???

Not enough shiteing on about 'idpol'

Big Ben: Public can fund Brexit Day bongs, says PM

Big Ben: Public can fund Brexit Day bongs, says PM https://t.co/iVNwJB0Hhf

— guy fieri 2020 campaign manager (@libbycwatson) January 14, 2020

spaffed up the bell end

Hang on.. but Nationalism from northern England Brexit voters is totally okay and normal, so much so we make videos nodding our heads along listening to it. https://t.co/0BJJqmk9G5

— Chardine Taylor Stone 🌹 (@misschazmatazz) January 14, 2020

lets go doorstepping and tell swivel-eyed nazi headcases who keep bottles of urine in their kitchen that their concerns are quite legitimate and fair but nationalism is divisive. It's almost like as soon as you try legitimising idiots you get completely lost in the mire of the damned!

That Graeber piece is really good.

But in other parties, no one without media training is ever placed anywhere near a microphone. (To put the matter in perspective, when the Conservatives tried to create their own answer to Momentum, a youth group called “Activate,” it had to be almost immediately shut down because members were caught calling for the mass murder of the poor.)

For most care-givers, however, these people are the enemy. If you are a nurse, for example, you are keenly aware that it’s the administrators upstairs who are your real, immediate class antagonist. The professional-managerials are the ones who are not only soaking up all the money for their inflated salaries, but hire useless flunkies who then justify their existence by creating endless reams of administrative paperwork whose primary effect is to make it more difficult to actually provide care.

graeber: he's good

classic spicy take right here

Starmer is a left candidate. So is Thornberry.

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) January 14, 2020

I know he'a an absolute joke and a level 2 poltroon but is he actually a spice user?

I love his dunderheaded 10 point rim-job on Starmer - he's such a transparent crawler - he's beyond the fucking joke!

jesus when Owen Smith was pretending to be a socialist I think the Spiceman was employing a bit more forensic analysis on this claim, but now he's fallen out with most of lefty PLP.

not a huge graeber fan (probably partly bcz i know someone who knows him lol) but most of that piece is p good yes, up until towards the end

it comes apart a bit towards the end when he starts to argue that lawyers-as-a-subclass and accountants-as-a-subclass are merely more layers in an administrator class who "believe in the rules" -- when actually both professions are just stiff w.ppl extremely well paid for cynically knowing how to GAME the rules, and further that any set of rules is always in effect gameable, bcz it's always an extension of politics

(tbh i think this line stems from classic anarchist naivety abt the nature of politics: practically speaking -- alongside the ppl who happily tip the tables over and the other ppl who can build structures that improve life for everyone -- our side also always needs ppl who grasp the rules-as-they-are in order to be better at gaming them)

gonna tell my kids that this was gamergate

oh no I agree with all of this (the six points at least) by JP although they should all be givens for any credible candidate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/14/trust-politics-public-mistrust-labour