Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

this is where Fred mistakes a bunch of posters saying different things for one poster saying a bunch of contradictory things

so... it's a thread on ILX

lolz

Lol, come on. Every Berner on here would have followed Calzino's twitter-lead here if it hadn't been shot down immediately.

Not a big, thing

I'd estimate that about 95% of the campaign details we discuss in this thread are so abstruse or unimportant that they will have zero impact on the outcome of the nomination. That politico article falls somewhere in the bottom 5%, even by this thread's eager-to-dissect-every-nuance standards.

the most important thing that we don't really talk about is that if Bernie really does manage to identify, turn out, and win the votes of people who polling, modeling, and conventional wisdom don't think will vote, things are gonna get wild

he better, because that's his plan to deal with mcconnell and the gop

though tbf, it's not like any other democrat has a plan either. either a democratic candidate wins with enough of a landslide to overpower mcconnell and get legislation signed, or they win and wait another two to thirty-six years to get a veto-proof majority. i guess there's the possibility that the GOP will realize the foolishness of their postures and change thei.....haaa...ahahah.aa.ahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

I think if that plan worked, the midway primaries would have looked a lot different. I don't think it's needed though, I could see him win Iowa and New Hampshire, and it just rolls from there. He is well positioned in the Midwest, so a good candidate against Trump. It doesn't really need new voters.

to balance that with a little optimism - i actually DO think there's a good chance that sanders could win in a landslide

But yeah, I don't get how he thinks he will do anything with the filibuster still in place, even with the best election night possible this november.

So do I! I just doubt how much that would impact the Senate.

Every presidential election cycle I contemplate the possibility that some portion of the roughly third of eligible voters who don't vote will finally decide to cast a vote. Last election seems to have been decided by a few thousand disgruntled white male non-voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan who finally decided to stick their finger into the eye of The Establishment.

Maybe Sanders can motivate a few hundred thousand 18-25 year olds who've never voted before to find out if they really can get their student debt cancelled if they take the time to register and vote. Stranger things have happened. Trump winning, for example.

With every new executive act of deregulation and inflammatory foreign policy (not to mention RGB health) I'n getting tired fast of "but what about McConnell"

The president as we have seen has changed dramatically in just the past twenty years, there's a shit ton to be undone irrespective of legislation

"Presidency"^

that's true, but i don't know, legislation seems prettttty important too

especially since things that aren't legislation can be reversed under a new administration (executive orders esp, but also rules and regulations, albeit at a slower pace)

yeah I think we just just let Trump have a second term tbh, let him deal with McConnell - who needs the headache!

xp no doubt, but in the meantime there's nothing much to be done about it and all this hand wringing over whether Candidate A's relatively more progressive policies are less likley to make senate passage than Candidate B's more moderate polcies is a joke, nothing *any* Dem prez proposes is going to make it out of this senate

this being the case it seems obviously preferable to have a president who will message hard on ideals

Legislation won't matter if the courts are just going to overturn it. And, I mean, Trump hasn't really passed that much legislation, and he still has managed to destroy so much. Even without the landslide, Sanders is going to be so good for the US.

i am not "counting chickens"

It's certain Clinton & Obama vets will pool their firepower on Sanders if they see him headed for the nomination. Like, worse than thus far.

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— emotionally distant dad drinking seagram’s escapes (@ambienvalent) January 11, 2020

Steyer with the subliminal bid for the stoner vote

https://i.imgur.com/6rRpTzu.png

lol

vote for tom steyer, he will legalize weed in illinois

I tuned out for a couple weeks and just realized tomorrow’s debate is in my neighborhood. There was no chance I’d get a ticket, so maybe I could watch it nearby and gawk at the candidates arriving?

What is the purpose of the president making fun of each candidate when they drop out? I have a suspicion that he believes everyone that remains in the race is running against him simultaneously, so if someone drops out, it's one less opponent to beat.

You’re once again making the truly day one mistake of trying to explain Donald Trump’s actions based on beliefs about the world he may hold.

Yes but WHY did the child throw the bowl of guacamole into a ceiling fan

to get to the other side

you all are right about the general principle, but trump's kneejerk crowing over the failure of literally anyone* not himself isn't that mystifying--he's an asshole.

*and in this case we're talking about a good-looking, generally likeable black man. It would be much more shocking if he said nothing. If there was a pic of Obama with mustard on his shirt, he'd tweet about it for a week.

How about that time Obama got mustard all over his entire suit?

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/19/19-barack-obama-tan-suit.w710.h473.2x.jpg

^ the most shocking display of tan cloth ever perpetrated in the history of the world!

Opinion
Gail Collins and Bret Stephens
How Does President Sanders Sound to You?
Bernie is surging and may have found his moment.

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lol insert Biden or Buttigieg or even EW here and imagine this same construction

like, yeah, that hypthetical scenario is exactly what people have been doing this whole time but interesting question

Better headline: Hey Can We Get a Hand Here?

Those Collins/Stephens conversations are some of the worst recurring op-eds out there. Are they even op-eds? Not sure what to call them. They’re like conversations that were too lazy to even put into podcast form

lol insert Biden or Buttigieg or even EW here and imagine this same construction

― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 1:44 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

not gonna lie, president buttigieg sounds weird cause buttigieg is a silly name.

President Booty Judge, otoh

Those Collins/Stephens conversations are some of the worst recurring op-eds out there.

Wasn't it Collins/Brooks for a while? I guess Times management wanted to see if they could make it even stupider and more worthless.

has E Bruenig published anything for them yet? she joined up a bit ago iirc

strong shared energy in the last few DNs, also

And here it is... Pete Buttigieg's antitrust policy advisor is a staff attorney at Wells Fargo. And that's not all! https://t.co/gQpesuQ62Q

— David Dayen (@ddayen) January 14, 2020

Headline: "Why voters are nervous about Amy Klobuchar"

They're not nervous about her. They think she sucks.

Had legit no idea she was still in til this post

she'll probably talk more than anyone else tonight

Didn’t want to sully the Mulholland Drive thread but a while ago I realized who Biden reminds me of - Chad Everett in the audition scene.

same tan and large veined hands

I can't even imagine those two having sex, even with themselves.

Didn’t want to sully the Mulholland Drive thread but a while ago I realized who Biden reminds me of - Chad Everett in the audition scene.

― JoeStork, Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:09 PM (fifty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

OMG YES!