The Good Place on NBC

thing that irrationally annoyed me: Timothy Olyphant guesting as "Timothy Olyphant" even though he was clearly meant to be in character as Raylan Givens

Well tbf he was a Janet-created fantasy Olyphant

yeah but it was specifically listed as “Timothy Olyphant” not Timothy Olyphant, so the Judge’s made-up idea of what the guy she only knows from Justified is really like

seems like a distinction they could have milked for a proper joke tbh

anyway that's all from me, the joke police

i thought that joke was implied.

i imagine he was credited as "raylan" in the script before some nbc lawyers got worried about rights issues.

yeah almost certainly some fox/nbc ish and not something worth not suspending your disbelief over

Hm, so reincarnation and karma is the compromise solution?

haha I had that thought too

I was hoping it would embrace universalism - forgiveness solves lots of the problems.

Universal forgiveness goes against the grain of most, if not all, ethical philosophers, because it renders their tortured wrestling with the nuances pointless.

I thought last night's was fantastic and got me really excited about this season (for a week until the season finale). The change in setting seemed to open up something that had been missing for much of the season, tons of laugh out loud moments.

I haven't watched it yet but I don't know if it's a good or bad thing about this show that literally anything could be at the end of the balloon ride and I'd probably buy it.

i've been suspicious they had an eight episode final season and have had to pad the shit out of it.

aka The Americans s5

It has felt like some wheel spinning for some time, but last night's really reminded me of what I love best about the show.

The ending was the ending of A History of the World in 10 1/2 chapters.

Looks like a feature length/double episode finale next week (according to IMDB anyway).

And the episode title seems like a massive fucking spoiler so don't look it up.

Oh! I thought that was the last episode...

Ha, the ending could certainly have scanned as a series finale, but more to come.

Schur on the Olyphant cameo: all this thread's questions answered

https://tv.avclub.com/mike-schur-on-making-the-judge-s-dreams-come-true-with-1840910984

ohhh that wasn't the finale

It's tonight, right?

90-min finale, yup

fuck

Well that was sweet.

i havente even finished watching & it has already destroyed ms

V good

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it didn't really work for me overall and I'm not quite sure why

That's kind of my overall statement about the last couple seasons really

Clara Peller!

Lacking cable and uninterested in legal streaming options, I haven't seen S3 & 4. The UK has had single season blus which I passed on. For cord cutters like myself, there will be a US blu-ray set released May 19.

it didn't really work for me overall and I'm not quite sure why

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, January 31, 2020 7:32 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

eleanor/chidi imo

i was still often devastated and felt like it was a solid ending but michael schur's romantic couplings really alienate me from his shows

This did pretty much what I expected it to and it was perfectly satisfactory in achieving that. So fine, but otherwise underwhelming (a bit like the whole final series).

Lacking cable and uninterested in legal streaming options, I haven't seen S3 & 4. ...For cord cutters like myself

This show was on broadcast television, and also available via illegal means.

I liked what they did with Michael at the end. I was feeling pretty underwhelmed by the last episode's vision of heaven - like, really, this is all it is? But after watching this one I thought maybe that was the point. Because, you know, all these people are actually dead. And even in this universe where there's an afterlife that gives you everything you've ever wanted, nothing beats getting to actually live your life.

michael's ending was great, as was tahani's, i like that she essentially became an afterlife party planner

my favorite part was cosmic derek

Schur pointed out an (I think) important detail about Chidi's exit. Everyone else took a seat on the bench, but Chidi, who spent his whole life tying himself in knots to make decisions, walked through without any hesitation whatsoever.

that was lovely. I mean the decisiveness of chidi’s exit specifically, but also the whole thing.

The Mary Steenburgen cameo <3

Also the fact that she was a guitar teacher:

In 2007, Steenburgen underwent minor surgery on her arm, which required a general anesthetic; shortly thereafter, she began experiencing "music (...) playing in her head day and night".[12] She subsequently took music lessons so that she could write down what she was hearing, and by 2013 had almost 50 songwriting credits.[12] She has collaborated with musicians from Nashville and was also signed to Universal Music as a songwriter.

I teared up a bit during that.

I had no idea she was Ted Danson's wife. I was thinking "oh, another Justified connection"

I’m going through an amicable ish divorce and the Eleanor-Chidi part fuckin destroyed me.

Feel like this episode accidentally romanticizes suicide.

hey it also jokes about eternal torture

I disagree that it romanticizes suicide. They step through the door not to escape their life, or because they feel something missing from it, but the opposite: they feel like it is complete and they are at peace. It's more about acceptance of death and the unknown.

That’s why I said accidental. Because I worry people might feel like if they perceive they are at peace with the decision to go- which is not the same as needing to escape, but it’s an easy shift in interpretation to logically apply, and many times suicidal people DO feel a huge relief when they’ve decided that they are going to do it so it might feel similar to the way the characters “knew” (felt a calmness). I know it was different and that it applied uniquely to the afterlife scenario in the show’s universe. Just had some parallels.

They step through the door not to escape their life, or because they feel something missing from it, but the opposite: they feel like it is complete and they are at peace. It's more about acceptance of death and the unknown.

Suicide is suicide no matter the motive!

The show is very heavily tilted toward viewing everything through the lens of philosophy, where suicide has been treated as an existential moral and ethical subject for centuries. And like much of philosophy, the handling is strangely detached from the sensate and emotional reality most of us experience as "life".

That's kind of my overall statement about the last couple seasons really

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, January 31, 2020 7:34 AM (yesterday)

Personally, I mostly disliked the last couple of seasons was because the show let its saccharine tone (which was always there) overtake everything else at the expense of its initially adventurous storytelling (and I'm not talking just about plot twists), not to mention everything felt so pat considering the show used to focus so much on grey areas - I felt the episode with Michael and Bad Janet was the show's absolute nadir

That all being said, I liked the finale more than I expected