bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Sometimes when people reach out to the right it's not reluctantly it's just their natural instinct.

While UK ILX scrambles to cancel every single candidate who isn't RLB though, my abiding concern is that she really isn't very good at being a convincing public presence. Starmer's response to marking Corbyn out of 10 was far better than hers, to give one example. I am rooting for her but I just cannot see how it's going to work. But I've said this almost as many time as calz has called Starmer a Tory so I'm sure you're all very bored

Starmer had best have a good reason for this Pound thing though or I'll have to find an alternative second-choice, and I'm scared it'll have to be Clive Lewis

I might actually 2nd pref Clive as well tbh, despite nothing but contempt for him!

I spent a lot of my adult life given up on the Labour party it won't kill me to give up on it again and the only important things to me about the leadership election at this point in time is the effect on the party itself - I don't care if some charismatic media darling mashup of every smooth talking loveable heart-throb ever is in charge if the party isn't pushing socialism. I maybe just about have some belief that Starmer may not represent the right wing technocrat backlash that he smells of but I gave Blair some benefit of the doubt in 96 and fuck falling for that twice.

Sorry that was all over the place, basically if there's one good choice then bollocks to a second choice

"While UK ILX scrambles to cancel every single candidate who isn't RLB though"

'cringe' and 'cancel' comes easily to people who can't say comrade huh?

I might actually 2nd pref Clive as well tbh, despite nothing but contempt for him!

Like you don’t have to 2nd pref at all, I’m not planning to

Yup, only RLB exists in this contest.

i blame ilx poll culture tbh, just because you *can* vote for a thing doesn't mean you *should*

I didn't know it was optional tbh so good!

or at least I'd forgotten from previous votes, can't even remember if I did 2nd prefs last 2 times

I have some respect for Lewis - his green credentials are extremely sound

And his women credentials?

that is where i have less respect

Not 2nd preferencing means "if my first preference doesn't get in then I have no interest at all in distinguishing between the others", which is a level of nihilism that I can barely oh no wait which thread was this again.

Oh, I suppose that’s nice to know.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMOWYnvXYAAUcVG?format=jpg&name=large

An 'ally' speaks! xxp

xp it’s pointless imo at this stage because:

1) Starmer is clearly favourite and won’t need any 2nd prefs
2) he is the only candidate I would consider 2nd prefing in this contest
3) am I really going to 2nd pref Lewis, Phillips, or Nandy? No. Are any of those three likely to be in contention? Also no.
4) honestly get fucked with calling that a “nihilist” view

And lol I started voting in Ireland, I know exactly how transfers work ffs

Lol another 'black mark', this is kinda appalling

I'll be honest I find this really disappointing 😔 a really important cause, the commitment to child refugees, being used to gather data for a leadership campaign - it shouldn't be done pic.twitter.com/7e72v7O7ba

— 🌷 Chlöe 🌹 (@ChloeAHopkins) January 10, 2020

it's weird Andrew because i associate nihilism with going "any old terrible person/policies will do in a pinch"

yep, nihilism would be not giving a shit who leads the Labour Party next.

must've been pretty nihilistic voting for a war criminal and Thatcherite economics fan in the 2000s because "hey at least it's not the Tories"

Cringe, nihilism, my vocabulary increases everytime I refresh this thread.

say what you want about the tenets of neoliberalism lads, at least it's an ethos

I’m so intrigued as to how FAPs go down, is it like this all the time irl?

There's only one way to find out! (They're very civilised, there was a solid 20 minutes of me and xyzzzz__ chatting away at one last year)

Do ye just eyeball each other from across the room the rest of the time?

1) Starmer is clearly favourite and won’t need any 2nd prefs
2) he is the only candidate I would consider 2nd prefing in this contest
3) am I really going to 2nd pref Lewis, Phillips, or Nandy? No. Are any of those three likely to be in contention? Also no.
4) honestly get fucked with calling that a “nihilist” view

1&2 are very fair points here, yes. As regards 3, when you get far enough down the list it's a matter of spite - even if everything turns upside down, you're not getting my vote, you little fucker. Looking at the others and saying "they're all the same, nothing to choose between them" - yeah, I'll call that nihilism.

nah they are different, there's the racist one, the self-promoting careerist one, the misogynist one and the closet Tory one

No, they’re not all the same. I dislike them all for various reasons. None of them deserve my 2nd or any preference. Me not voting for any of them isn’t me thinking there’s nothing to choose between them, it’s me thinking that I don’t want to risk any of them benefiting from my vote in any way.

gyac the gaps are fine. Attend one.

I will at some point!

There is only one candidate who is going to keep to the best of Labour's policies, and develop new ones with the membership at anything like an organic process.

Anything else is *checks notes* nihilism

i forgot the "one who i forgot was running" one

Do ye just eyeball each other from across the room the rest of the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNhKJczElI

Cringe:

On Sunday I’ll unveil my manifesto, including a policy for a Constitutional Convention. This will give the British people an opportunity to discuss a written constitution, PR, the House of Lords & the Royal Family. I want the public to be more involved in our democracy, not less.

— Clive Lewis MP (@labourlewis) January 10, 2020

agree with all of that tbfttl

They are not my priorities.

constitutional reform is gonna be necessary at some point

filtered through the Clive L brains trust, a lot of these things that sound perfectly reasonable policies on paper will be rendered bad most likely.

^nihilism ;)

he's an ex armed forces boorish macho twat. he wouldn't even put a 'doing in the Romanovs in the cellar' option on a royal referendum.

Words that didn't enter xyzzzz__'s vocabulary today: 'including'

"put them all to work in a care home" is surely the 21st century equivalent

The old ways are still the best. Swish swish!

I delve onto R4 for the first time in ages just now and the first thing I hear is an ad for a new Tristam Cunt show - the melts are coming back hashtag.

One of my best friends, who afaik has been a lifelong Marxist but also a pragmatist, is backing Lisa Nandy, for reasons I'm not 100% about but appears to be because she can win back the red wall. It's an interesting position given he is married to an immigrant but apparently she loves her too. I just said I have legitimate concerns about her.