bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

A lot of this stuff is partially true but more complex than it's painted.

The benefit fraud guidance was drawn up by the DPP when it passed responsibility over to the CPS, so Starmer's actual role was likely negligible. He did, however, contribute to the media rhetoric in a harmful way. As a side note, Thornberry wanted the maximum sentence to be 14 years.

The CPS didn't charge PC Harwood the first time around because there was a difference of opinion between coroners as to whether there was a direct link between the assault and the death, though when evidence of that link was presented, they did.

There was never much prospect of MI6 agents being charged in relation to renditions to Libya but Starmer was responsible for running the investigation in a way that the families concerned were very unhappy with. They felt it was rushed and not taken seriously enough.

The de Menezes case was outrageous but the nature of the law around manslaughter made it very difficult to pinpoint exactly who, if anyone, could be charged. It was the result of negligence compounding negligence and if any individual had been fully responsible for all of it, they'd likely have been convicted. As it was, it was a whole team of incompetents partially responsible for different bits. It's a good example (as with a lot of the banking stuff) of a case where a stronger remit for finding an organisation, rather than individuals, criminally liable would make a difference. There could have been a case for charging Cressida Dick iirc but without much prospect of conviction.

I am 100% Team RLB but idk who i'd give my second pref to if not Starmer.

they are quite a rum bunch to pick a second pref from tbf

did he need to unequivocally express how much he believed the benefit fraud guidance was correct etc.. there is only so many times you can make excuses for an establishment puppet who does bad things imo

Also regardless of who wins we aren't going back to 2010-15 - firstly, why would anyone want to? Labour lost. But the big thing is that whoever wins will be accountable to the membership, and if MPs don't want to end up reporting to the next Corbyn... well, the last five years should serve as an example as to what happens when all you can offer is a programme that's diametrically opposed to what most of your members want. It's very difficult to imagine any of the candidates going "well, you know, maybe what we need is a bit more austerity to show how responsible we are..."

I'm more worried about the rising appeal of Blue Labourism than anyone deciding it would be a good idea to emulate Ed Miliband's approach, or whatever Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper were promising.

I'm more worried about the rising appeal of Blue Labourism than anyone deciding it would be a good idea to emulate Ed Miliband's approach, or whatever Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper were promising.

I can't see Phillips or Nandy working constructively with the membership tbh. I think Starmer's 'ideologically flexible' enough to do so.

those scare quotes aren't scary enough!

Is their a sizeable blue labour chunk of the membership, I'm not sure what I even know about the makeup of the membership these days.

Nandy's polling would suggest not, However, the 'but what about the TOWNS' stuff seems to be resonating with some of the PLP and might have an appeal in parts of the trad Labour heartlands, i guess.

"Labour but racist" probably has more appeal than capital letters Blue Labour ever will.

It's more an appeal to a semi-notional chunk of the electorate than the membership tho. I guess Blue Lab might have a disproportionate toehold on the unions, maybe.

In the unions, sorry.

labour mps.... if you want to deliver change.... you need to stop using words like "radical" and "comrade" and "left wing" and "labour"..... the electorate voted in a tory government so now you must promise that forevermore https://t.co/bCQaLYPeAe

— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) January 10, 2020

As a massive fan of Hitler documentaries I'm pretty sure the FBPE dorks will still be banging on about the war in 30 years time

'radical' is fine for public dissemination, 'comrade' is strictly for private camaraderie between comrades imo

we need to deliver real manspreading change

n.b. ilx is private

Not giving a fuck how you appear to basic racists is the comradely thing to do

idk I think if you’re going to be smeared as a godless Communist who hates Britain regardless you might as well do it your way

idk i just find it a bit cringe. can't we be allies or friends or something

in public, like. otherwise it is a bit cosplay isn't it

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m7dzgd6ZIB1rbon87o1_500.gif&f=1&nofb=1

we laugh now but wait until somebody proves that public use of "comrade" cost us the red wall

https://pg.b5z.net/get/nb5z/s1080-*/zirw/1/i/u/10068435/i/ec/Comrade_Dad__add_size.jpg

The series is about Reg Dudgeon, a working-class man who thinks that the Soviet takeover is wonderful, and tries to champion the work of his rulers and party line. Unfortunately, his beliefs are tested as the excesses of life under the communists - food shortages, long queues, low wages - begin to take their toll.

the only objection I have is if subhuman melts start using "comrade" ironically.

'ello comrade arthur

THE COMPLETE SERIES

TWO DISC SET

is a helluva setup-punchline

wiki says there were only 8 eps so fuck knows what's on that second disc

the good news is that we've avoided the communist takeover of the uk, as foretold in comrade dad, and our food shortages and low wages are the result of pure, unfettered capitalism

thatcher porn xp

tragically "Comrade Dad" was a huge influence on today's Twitter melt community who grew up believing it was a documentary

And they don't even know that Bleasdale's G. B. H. was actually a documentary!

Why don't you come clean @piersmorgan .Tell your followers what you have against Meghan. Fact is she blew you out. You groveled to take her to your pub once and since then she has not answered your grovelling calls. Had she acknowledged you it would be a different story. QED https://t.co/Y5ksJ2xDKx

— Lord Sugar (@Lord_Sugar) January 10, 2020

the first 9m21s of episode 1 of comrade dad are weirdly unsettling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytoSJadmlIg

'what if threads but with a laugh track'

So Keir Starmer's team is now comprised of the Owen Smith campaign team, Progress, and Labour First, the hard right reactionary group established to expunge all traces of the left from Labour, who explicitly want to ban Momentum and Corbyn supporters from Labour

— Rosewood Shoehorn (@apiarism) January 10, 2020

this is fine

Yes, comrade Gazzara

Hardly subtle is it?

He might as well put up a sign: Melt Brigade

Starmer ready to go back to 2010-15

'radical' is fine for public dissemination, 'comrade' is strictly for private camaraderie between comrades imo

― imago, Friday, 10 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

You know big words? Thought

...ah yes I forget you've written a book. Sorry will defer to you and your knowledge of words

'Citizen' was good enough for Robespierre and Saint Just, it's good enough for me.

Leave it Alph it's nearly the weekend

I'm leaving it, just remembering that some ppl know words and the weight they carry. Or whether they are 'cringe' or not.

I'm really hoping the membership come to their senses over Starmer. he's an absolute danger on two fronts: as in pliable and leaning well to the right of the PLP and he's a prize turkey who will become an easy fool for the right-wing press to lampoon.

Use of words like 'radical' and 'comrade' SHOULD be discouraged, I'm glad this is belatedly being accepted. But its not far enough, we need to be discouraging all forms of speech, as they are merely exercises in obfuscation and prevarication. We need to stop with all this endless talking, and start getting into peoples gardens, doing the rendering and firing air rifles at the greenhouse opposite

We have to face facts. People are tired of all these words, sentences and paragraphs, from balloons who think hands are for holding pens not punching burglars and carrying sacks of potatoes. We need to start lifting weights

an important part of being a centrist is imagining that you personally are the target audience, the swing voter, therefore for example what you find to be "cringe" is of vital importance, and if you are told to "fuck off and join the tories" then that's nothing less than an admission of defeat.