THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

He was Fish...Vigoda

Can't believe I failed to recognize celebrated NYC idiot Bo Dietl the first time

My SO (a native New Yorker) picked him out right away. I was like, "this actor's great!" He said, "That guy's a racist dishit."

his last run for mayor was partic stupid

he was also in Goodfellas, and appeared in clueless fashion on The Daily Show

Count me among those for whom the last act was what validated the entire movie's existence.

well we know you don't like Big Boy Caprice

"It's summer."

hey, I've got two hours of An Elephant to watch tonight. Does De Niro die slowly in it too?

he dies throughout the entire Paint Houses book

Hey, I liked the movie!

There's no general Scorcese thread, so here's a 15-minute short he made for a Macau casino that's slight but fun, written by Terrence Winter (Sopranos/Boardwalk).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_KSYIZ61q0

you can find the Scorsese threads if you spell his name right :)

ah fuck

lol

M-O-O-N that spells "Scorsese"

When the moon hits your eye / like this CGI Guy / That's A-Marty

CGI Guydays

I'm only through episode 1 (the first hour), but mostly wishing this was about the Jew Mob

there are no episodes

it's true there's never been a decent movie about any of the Jewish gangsters (Lansky, Siegel, Cohen etc.) - although they pop up in everyone else's stories. I hesitate to claim there was ever anything cohesive and exclusionary enough to be called the Jew Mob.

Lansky's story is kinda the most impressive - lived to a ripe old age.

there are no episodes

Yes, it was a "joke" about how a lot of people watch it on Netflix in chunks as if there were

Episode 1 the rise of sheeran

I was hoping I was either forgetting a great Jewish mafia movie or that someone would recommend one. The only thing I kept picturing was Adam Goldberg in Fargo season 1, lol.

I imagine Morbz will rep for Bugsy but I wasn't v impressed w it

x-post!
Bugsy w/ Warren Beatty isn't bad at all

Most of the gangsters in Once Upon a Time in America are Jewish irc

there's a young Lansky in Boardwalk Empire but he's not really a central figure. And of course there's Moe Green and Hyman Roth in the Godfather(s), but yeah the movies aren't about them

Hesh in the Sopranos is probably my favorite on-screen Jewish mafia character tbh

just as a portrayal of a "type"

I guess there's Tom Hardy in Peaky Blinders, but y'know, Peaky Blinders...

could never get past the title of that tbh

not-good Jewish mob film: Little Odessa

De Niro’s Ace Rothstein in Casino?

the upcoming Fargo S4 has some KC Jewish mob elements

isaac babel has some fun plays

I would love to see a movie about Lansky - dude was like a mafia Zelig. Had his hand in almost every major 20th century mob action that you could name.

I read the Safdies briefly had Harvey Keitel tied to Uncut Gems, they should cast him in this biopic

Once Upon a Time in America?

(xpost) Haven't seen it, but there's a TV movie with a reputable director.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0173974/

Had his hand in almost every major 20th century mob action that you could name

and got away with it! Never did time, never got whacked.

Ashkenazi exceptionalism at its finest

he has a small role in boardwalk empire

and obviously he's the transparent inspiration for lee strasberg's character in godfather part ii

do keep up

I haven't seen Bugsy since its first release, thought it was good not great. No memory of Ben Kingsley playing Lansky.

no

xp

there are a couple Jewish gangsters in Drive portrayed by Albert Brooks and Ron Perlman

Dutch Schultz was Jewish.

Morrie!

hesh was almost assuredly based on this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Levy

Bugsy had a sharp script (James Toback) and the wrong director (Barry Levinson wtf).

Lansky died at the age of 80 in 1983 .. of lung cancer. He rolled with Siegel & Luciano, took over the Flamingo after Siegel was offed, set up Batista with gambling $$$ in Cuba...as Shakey notes upthread, how the fuck comes out of all that with barely a mark is insane. Boardwalk depiction suggests an almost pathological cautiousness & much more strategic, coolheaded nature which would go a loong way to explaining how he survived if even partially true. Plus by all accounts Siegel was fkn nuts, and Luciano was no picnic. AND Batista ffs. He’s surrounded by egomaniacs & sociopathic nutjobs, so *not* getting offed when you have your hand in all this illegal domestic & international million dollar shit is almost unthinkable. Like dont get me wrong, Lansky’s still a scary dude but holy shit.

sorry for derail

one thing i noticed on a rewatch, just a couple of bits:

Frank being an unimportant player in the big game, not as important as he believes:

Frank in the room while Hoffa is screaming at his underlings, Frank leaves because he's offended, he doesn't like being yelled at, Hoffa chases him down and says he wasn't yelling at him, "I didn't even see you there."

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Frank coming back to Russ to talk about Hoffa, being told he also doesn't need to know everything, being told without being directly told to "just do his job":

FRANK: I don't understand either, how youse could help get those two fucking Kennedy pricks elected in the first place. It don't make no sense to him, that's for sure.

RUSS: He doesn't have to understand everything. You know what I'm talking about. Sometimes it's better.

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Frank's first wife, who was not a part of it at all. Just a regular person, outside of the mob influence. He meets his second wife, who's a server at a mob bar. Russ reps for her a bit, Frank quickly leaves his first wife for her.

^^^this ties in a bit with a moment I thought was just extra, but no: the very specific narration about Russ' wife Carrie:

FRANK: Russ's wife, Carrie, her family goes all the way back, way, way back to the same town in Sicily as the Bufalinos. They talked about it all the time. She came from mob royalty, if you want to call it that. To them, it was like they came over on the... the Italian Mayflower.

Frank had an influence from the outside world in his first wife, but his second wife was all-in. Russ' wife was all in as well. Russ' life at work and at home was completely tied up in the mob, cf Carrie knowing exactly what he did and helping him cover it up. Now Frank's would be as well.

(xpost) This page gives two possible sources for Hesh (one of them Levy):

http://sopranos.fandom.com/wiki/Hesh_Rabkin

The character is based on Harold "Kayo" Koningsberg a legendary Jewish hit man and mob associate who was sentenced to life in prison for murder.

I remember Hesh as such a (relatively, anyway) genial character, Koningsberg sounds wrong.

yeah, that doesn't seem right