bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

When you definitely know who Alan Johnson is. pic.twitter.com/pZ9mI0MVtM

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) January 5, 2020

to be fair, he does have changnesia.

It's called the Masked Singer, celebs sing in costume and we're supposed to try and guess who they are, which is completely impossible. Six of them perform and then the loser gets unmasked

— RopesToInfinity (@RopesToInfinity) January 5, 2020

MARGARET, 51, DROITWICH: why hasn't Corbyn built that new train station for the county yet? He's been our unelected president for 35 years.

LISA NANDY: you're actually so right 😭 ffs how shit are we it's actually mad. Sorry. Sorry

— Death to the West (@FlairmanWao) January 5, 2020

good work of someone to do accurate transcripts of her doorsteps convos and make it look like a joke.

Labour leadership: Jess Phillips clarifies Brexit stance, saying party won't back rejoin at next election - live news

that was a rapid about-face. These melts are always preaching about "message discipline" to Corbyn but not so cracky at practising it themselves.

when you have about as much political conviction as mayor khan a jellyfish, probably best avoiding improvised policy on-the-fly.

At this rate, I'd be voting for the fly!

Looks like some interesting stuff, quite a long read so will finish later.

How Labour increased its vote share in the Isle of Wight against the odds https://t.co/YoJ6iZoL6u via @leftfootfwd

— Ian Woodland (@IanWoodland) December 30, 2019

Rayner is the absolute Heineken candidate for deputy, getting broad support and reaching the parts of the PLP that I wish had fucked off into oblivion by now.

that was a rapid about-face. These melts are always preaching about "message discipline" to Corbyn but not so cracky at practising it themselves.

― calzino, Monday, 6 January 2020 09:56 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I am a "message discipline" person but I've never claimed that any of the competition have shown a superior command of it. Starmer was notably terrible in the runup to the election campaign before they locked him in the cupboard.

I wasn't taking a potshot at you sean. More at certain ex Labour shadow cabinet melts talking lots of shite, despite being involved a dismal fail of an election campaign themselves.

Apart from wheeling out the slicey bois, how do you propose those in the shadow cabinet draw a line under Campaign 2019 and focus on the future?

I am going to say something unpopular with calz, who I totally agree with on the awfulness of some or KS’s views - that welfare thing was dire. Unless that’s not how how old gig worked? (paging SV or anyone who might know more about this, basically). But I liked his campaign video, even though yr nobody-tells-me-what-to-write types were straight in there pissing on his bit about the print unions. My prefs (before campaigning) are: RLB, KS and that’s it. Amazing how not supporting certain female candidates makes you a misogynist these days. Deputy - happy with Butler or Rayner. They’re a lot better choices than 2015!

I wouldn't piss on that tory tosser if he was on fire!

I think they need to forget about 2019, there isn't necessarily a lesson in everything that went wrong. Or the lessons I can see are be more ruthless with melts: don't have any wreckers/people constantly briefing the gutter press about internal wrangles in the cabinet this time, especially as deputy leader.

Starmer is basically a slow route back to 2010 despite his bullshit video. His words aren't worth shit when you can see he has a record of falling in line with the arsehole wing of the party. They'll slowly chip away at him until he actually starts even looking like Owen Smith. For me he's already crossed the rubicon with his behaviour at the CPS, which isn't defensible at all, and as far as I'm concerned he's in the wrong party. My card is going in the bin with Labour's chances of ever winning an election as a proper party of opposition, if that slimeball is the new leader.

FYI although Starmer abstained on That Welfare Vote he did vote against the very same bill at third reading.

Again, we seriously need the public to be educated in how the CPS brings charges (or not) because even the most crusading QC who does 50 per cent of his work pro bono, for good left causes, would not be able to ignore the law in order to bring/not bring charges.

I certainly don't hate Starmer as much as calz does - but then, I'm not sure anyone does.

I always knew Corbyn would have to go if we had a bad election and there wouldn't be much sympathy for him. But the idea of tearing down the whole project and bringing in a (someone has shown a commitment to very conservative values despite the recent posturing) right-wing leader doesn't make any sense at all to me.

give it corbo ‘til end t’parliament

I don't believe any of that shit Suze. Some people just lack any political conviction or don't care about the consequences of what they do in office towards unimportant plebs. Starmer is one of them, while the Labour party was to the right he gave public backing to banging up low level benefit fraudsters. He didn't need to do that - he choose to because has no principals.

Just forced to join Labour to cancel out the vote of someone I know voting for the member for Bab

thank u for yr service

Bab-mania

She probably won’t even make the ballot tbh but whomst among us can resist a bit of spite to motivate them?

polling suggests she's doomed, has she really been thinking all these years that if she stood there would be hundreds of thousands of new members signing up just to vote for her?

evidence points to... yes?

The BBC news item on the Labour leadership election has a collage of the contenders and um

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51000133

It’s not about winning, it’s about self promotion and future positioning.

She’ll get on the ballot but will ultimately wish she had the rock-solid support enjoyed by Liz Kendall. Everyone I know that isn’t a columnist/media type whose salad days were in the ‘90s fucking hates her. Also she must be thanking her lucky stars that Stella Creasy is on mat leave, because all those people would stampede thattaway and forget all about her if that were not the case.

xxp I think those are all pretty stock photographs? Actually I've just checked and they're the big Wikipedia photos for them.

I think the point is that RLB is not included in the picture, but presumably that's because she hasn't officially declared yet?

Secondly, many of us will not support the Lansman backed candidate. She’s lovely, don’t get me wrong, but he is tarnished, and we want to be more than an internal power hungry avocado munching student protest group. The party belongs to us, not him.
2/9

— Rachael Swindon #Lavery4Leader (@Rachael_Swindon) January 6, 2020

this is a depressing thread and the 'Lansman as all-powerful puppet master' stuff is dubious for obvious reasons

worried that the bloc of Labour members and supporters who elected Corbyn in 2015 and 2016 is going to fracture between RLB supporters and people who would have voted for a credible soft-left candidate in the last two contests had there been one on offer who will go with Starmer, with a smaller number of crank-left Rachael_Swindon types who will vote for Lavery if he stands, or just drift away from the party altogether.

They’re the official parliamentary photos from 2017 parliament, fuck knows why they used that blue lighting, makes almost everyone look terrible.

She’ll get on the ballot but will ultimately wish she had the rock-solid support enjoyed by Liz Kendall. Everyone I know that isn’t a columnist/media type whose salad days were in the ‘90s fucking hates her. Also she must be thanking her lucky stars that Stella Creasy is on mat leave, because all those people would stampede thattaway and forget all about her if that were not the case.

6th paragraph (IE 6th sentence): "A sixth contender, shadow business secretary Rebecca Long Bailey, is also expected to throw her hat into the ring."

2nd photo: a photo of RLB, larger than the others.

xxxp
what an idiot crank swindon muppet is, I avoid her like the plague. But depressingly she might represent what a whole block of the Corbyn vote is like.

(to CAL, not yrself)

xp you probabaly missed this tweet from her yesterday then calz so just for you:

Tell me this. How many politicians do you know that can get away with wearing Fred Perry and not manage to look like a total knob? Mr Lavery is one of them 😍 #Lavery4Leader pic.twitter.com/1CrmZLwVOo

— Rachael Swindon #Lavery4Leader (@Rachael_Swindon) January 5, 2020

I'm sure the masked singer would beg to differ with that tweet!

worried that the bloc of Labour members and supporters who elected Corbyn in 2015 and 2016 is going to fracture between RLB supporters and people who would have voted for a credible soft-left candidate in the last two contests had there been one on offer who will go with Starmer,

It's a transferrable vote, tho - if they both get on the ballot, and if there's a majority who would prefer either of them to anyone else, they'll be fine.

maybe the whole leadership election should be done "Masked MP" style

Oh good Lord. I muted Rachael Swindon in 2017 and I was right to do so. Ian Lavery won’t be on the final ballot.

They’re the official parliamentary photos from 2017 parliament, fuck knows why they used that blue lighting, makes almost everyone look terrible.

yes! that cold blue colour cast to all those photos has been driving me nuts for years

xp at least two candidates would drop out under that condition

might be a problem for any candidates with pronounced regional accents

maybe the whole leadership election should be done "Masked MP" style

starmz in their eyes

It's a transferrable vote, tho - if they both get on the ballot, and if there's a majority who would prefer either of them to anyone else, they'll be fine.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, January 6, 2020 4:39 PM (six minutes ago)

sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant that I'm worried Starmer will beat RLB (who would be my first choice) because a significant % of the people who voted for Corbyn in the absence of a credible soft-left candidate in 2015/6 will back him over her.

gyac - why?

soref - sure, if these are people who would like Starmer and no-one but Starmer, who would rather throw away their second preference than spend it on Lewis / Nandy / Thornberry / Phillips or on RLB. But these people presumably wouldn't have been voting before anyway?

I want her to declare and get on the hustings before I pick but I don’t think it’s controversial to say that Starmer is the best one in the ring at present. Thornberry is a good shadow Foreign Secretary but not a good leader prospect.

xp it’s not good for the brand, bab