― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke over, Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke seconds, Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Even better, then!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
No, no, no apology needed for sure. I was just sayin.
Speedy, while you're in Boise, I was marshalling the Mt. Evans Hill Climb. It was 45 degrees and drizzly at my checkpoint at 8000 ft, I'm really glad I didn't have to go to the top at 14,100 ft. I'm guessing it had to be in the 20's up there. Oh, and Vaughters was riding in his old CA gear--in the Citizens category. I cheered him, he laughed.
― Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
And the only way to be sure that someone is doping is if they a) test positive, or b) admit it. Period. Speculation is a useless excercise . Once you start speculating, then everyone starts looking guilty which again gets you nowhere.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
This highly focused training means, among other things 1) Lance has to be in peak form for only three weeks of the year, 2) since he's not competing in many other races, then he's got more time to train on the actual TdF route. It's no secret that Lance knows the routes (and the climbs in particular), far better than any of his competitors. But there's no way you can race a full season and still find time to do this -- as part of his training, Lance and his team ride the entire route at least once or twice, and the main climbs even more than that.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke bonds, Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke flight, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke paris, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
my husband joked that the main reason lance wants to win: his new girlfriend. hah!
― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/tour04/stage19/live/jans.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link
*yawns*
― duke asleep, Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link
The letter is more a defense of Lemond, but the attack on Ferrari, as I noted above, reflects strongly on Armstrong.
― Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke hello, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke swiss, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not sure I understand yr question, but...
Big Mig? Or alleged EPO poster child "up 'til now I've had debilitating wheat allergies that affected my equilibrium, but watch me go now!" Gianni Bugno?
Armstrong is known as a hardcore my way/highway person. I don't know if he's brought his personal beefs into his business side, but I'm not clear on how much differentiation there is there. The first personal beef I think of besides Armstrong is Livingston.
― Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link
mig but take your pick. i saw bugno that day on alpe d'huez too. in a world championship jersey i believe.
"I'm not clear on how much differentiation there is there"
between a racecourse and running/dealing with a company? really? lemond is way more emotional, less steely a person. not to mention more wily a racer than he ever was dominating. he could not have handled what lance had to last year in the tour IMHO. would have thrown his bike or something i bet. and what of hinault's take as i said in an earlier post? he's got no real allegiance to anybody and def. knows lemond up close and he has made a call, from what liggett and sherwen said the other day, that greg's jealous. and greg on ESPN said "if he's clean, greatest comeback, if he's not, greatest fraud" well duh, then why even say anything? ...or bother to qualify at all if you basically say in the next breath he ADMITTED using substances during the phone call to him? something's fishy about it.
― duke fish, Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I may be misunderstanding, or not making my (perhaps needlessly-nuanced) position clear, but I don't think we're really arguing too much here. I deplored Lemond's comments about LA. I totally dug LA running down Kloeden like a dog, and LA's professionalism and desire are fucking great. Even if he were to be found doping, I'd actually still think he's among the greatest ever. I just don't assume he's clean, and I am concerned about the Simeoni thing yesterday. Simeoni's comments were under oath I believe. Was he supposed to perjure himself to protect the peloton? LA is saying he lied under oath to impugn it? Or just Ferrari? Complicated.
If pro cycling were revealed to be a drugging clown show, it really wouldn't ruin my day, I'd rather ride my own bike and think about trying to get enough training time in to race 'cross this year.
― Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 25 July 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― queen G goes round and round, Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link
Speaking of prizes, Floyd Landis (USPS) has been awarded a special prize by comedian Robin Williams, who is a good fried of Lance Armstrong and the team. After his efforts in the mountains, and particularly stage 17, Williams nominated Landis the "baddest mofo of the mountains" and gave him a studly gold ring.
Shouldn't he be off making Patch Adams II: Electric Boogaloo or something?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
PARIS (AP) _ Lance Armstrong rode into history Sunday by winningthe Tour de France for a record sixth time, an achievement thatconfirmed the victory-hungry cancer survivor as one of the greatestsportsmen of all time.
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke bring, Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i hereby declare you to be awesome
love,
g dubbs
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Bush spent the morning clearing brush at his ranch here, butcame into his house about the time his fellow Texan crossed thefinish line and watched TV coverage after the race's finish, shesaid.
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
He was under oath, and accusing someone of purjury would be a serious charge. I think Armstrong's upset about the way Simeoni framed himself. His testimony was essentially "yeah, I did drugs, but I was just following orders". Thus, he's transfering some of the blame from himself to his doctors, trainers, and team management. Thus, the doping issue acquires a lot more breadth than just a few guys doping on their own without instruction from anybody, and that's what Lance feels is so damaging to cycling.
Eurosport somehow missed out on the Simeoni attacks at the start. That explains why the commentators weren't flipping out like I was when he did it again halfway through the stage.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 25 July 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
According to a Domina Vacanze team source, Simeoni learned on Sunday that magistrates presiding over the trial of Armstrong’s performance consultant, Michele Ferrari, may wish to question the American about his mid-race altercation with Simeoni on Friday’s 18th stage. Legal officials in Florence apparently suspect that Armstrong may have been guilty of attempting to influence a witness.
― Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 25 July 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke give me break, Sunday, 25 July 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Full-on respect to Hunter. I mostly mountain bike, but I've done a handful of cyclocross races over the past couple of years. Bike riding at its most primeval, all that up-bank down-ditch madness, real heart-rate through the roof, sliding around in shite, chunder through your nose, 'what the hell am I doing this for', cold, wet Sunday morning in Hell stuff. Fucking batshit stupid, but it's great. Woohoo!
― NickB (NickB), Sunday, 25 July 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― duke mudd, Sunday, 25 July 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link
It's weird how ubiquitous cross bikes are now.
― Hunter (Hunter), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Monday, 26 July 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 26 July 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link
How soon do we see where the route will be next year, seeing as we have free accomodation over there it'd be silly not to go see if it's not near where we stay
― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:35 (nineteen years ago) link
um.
― The muted sensation feels amazeballs. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-ends-fight-against-doping-charges-losing-his-7-tour-de-france-titles.html?hp
― The muted sensation feels amazeballs. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:39 (eleven years ago) link
LOL
― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
Haw.
― omar little, Friday, 24 August 2012 03:49 (eleven years ago) link
jan aint gonna win squat. he'll be surpassed by ivan basso and the new french generation once lance quits..
― Jay G (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:13 (8 years ago)
lol, 'new french generation'
― your own personal cheeses (haitch), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone think there's any merit to the rumor that the drugs caused his cancer?
― wk, Friday, 24 August 2012 04:46 (eleven years ago) link