bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

let's all join hands and push these fucking dishonest tories off a cliff somewhere! I've never hated these fuckers as much as I do rn.

during a lull in family stuff the news came on briefly this evening and i was still so radge at the sight of Johnson i nearly tripped over jumping to get the remote

listened to PM for the first time in weeks. Oh the joy of hearing Heidi Allen and Helen Lewis talking about how the low the tone of our political discourse has become etc...

that was the kind of guff that triggered me i think, we're going get a few months of sanctimonious shite about bringing people together and raising the discourse while a fucking government starting to the right of Thatcher sets about destroying what's left of the social fabric. Meltdom is a gated fucking community.

Yep, those least likely to be killed./disenfranchised by austerity/hostile environment telling folk to keep it polite please.

Raise the discourse, kill BJ

Really enjoyed how Helen Lewis leaped on the chance to claim Labour’s position on trans rights lost them the election. She’s fucking vile.

All these bullshit merchants and bigots queuing up with their hottakes on why Labour lost is so sickening.

It's because they can't bear to study bojo innit

Bojo being what we get in return for precious Corbyn slamming

if the onus is on Labour to form a coalition (as Lewis seemed to be inferring) then how the fuck are they supposed to do that with a party whose only difference to the Tories is their EU position and fucking Skills Wallets!

HL/MLC/all these worthless lobby correspondents tee-hee-heeing it up with people on the basis of civility while they pass some of the most brutal policies and hire advisors from thinktanks openly aiming to divert money from the poor to the rich honestly sickens me. At least the fash are upfront about who they are and what they stand for. Fishhook theory always delivers.

yep it sure does and everything they do helps enable right-wing governments and always has done in my lifetime - which is why I believe they are much more of a menace than actual tories.

It's not just how bigoted/duplicitous/dishonest HL is, but the consummate smugness that goes with being an establishment shill that helps one understand why Soso got so addicted to murderous terror!

Paula Sherriff is on R4 at 8pm on a show about vulnerability, unfortunately presented by ed balls.

he should stick to being Mr Ballsjangles

“Polling by YouGov for the Party Members Project …” Prof Tim Bale’s mob. https://t.co/WCsvLQMg0V

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) January 1, 2020

I can hear Calzino's scream..

Scream if you want to go faster … on the carousel of defiant whimsy. https://t.co/eWN0QQEsa9

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) January 1, 2020

isn't it expected mr stare is the front runner as he was earliest to declare. Also as people say the front runners never win isn't it good news? I'm digging here but to quote Elvis "It's not currently a hopeful scene."

fuck that poll, they never asked me!

Starmer probably just needs a third of Corbyn’s voters to win a direct head to head with RLB, already assured of all the anti-Corbyn types, but it’s early days and RLB is still something of an unknown quantity to a lot of people.

I’m sceptical of the poll, though.

without getting too conspiratorial I feel like there is definitely an agenda already brewing amongst shitheel pollsters/media to encourage anything but a perceived continuity Corbyn candidate.

lol Jess Phillips polling higher than "unguided missile" Clive Dunn

Whilst this is *one* poll and the election isn't for another three months, I just want to say that if we do actually elect Keir Starmer then we're losing the rest of the Red Wall. https://t.co/TAWaNoyA3S

— Morgan Paulett 🤝🌹 (@MorganPaulett) January 1, 2020

without getting too conspiratorial I feel like there is definitely an agenda already brewing amongst shitheel pollsters/media to encourage anything but a perceived continuity Corbyn candidate.

― calzino,

If anything, Corbyn Derangement Syndrome seems to have increased since the election! He is provoking fury left right and centre because he walked the wrong way to the shops again

See also: Melt Bloodllust derangement!

But derangement or not I can't see Starmer as anything but a trojan horse full of melts. That sounds perfectly reasonable doesn't it? :p

glindr jackson (gyac)
Posted: 30 December 2019 at 21:24:02
We’ll see how the debates go.

Does that poll include who the unions endorse, Registered Supporters etc? The campaigns haven't even begun yet and it still feels like there's a prominent candidate missing somehow.

I doubt Jess Phillips has the Parliamentary support to stand but there's a strong sense of 'LibDem spring' to that 11%.

I don't know why but I'm still faintly surprised at Yvette Cooper polling below JP - either the Labour Right is very small these days or they're all nervous about splitting the centrist vote. She must have really fucked it in 2015.

Also another thing is that there's been a lot of talk in the media about why people in former Red Wall seats were pushed away from Labour and comparatively little about why they were pulled towards the Tories - or the assumption is they were just pushed in that direction by default. Any candidate without an understanding of the latter is going to fail.

Yvette died a thousand deaths in the '15 debates, it was an objectively bad and embarrassing showing by any standards. Well that is how I remember it.

xp

I think Get Brexit Done was enough for many of these imbeciles in the Red Wall, nowt much more mysterious than that.

Most labour centrists aren’t deluded enough to think someone who’s already lost a leadership election is the answer. Her appeal is stronger among the Lib Dem types on twitter who gave us “if Labour backed a 2nd ref, they would be 20 points ahead!”

RLBs flagship policy vs Keir's flagship policy https://t.co/GhTH94kxhy pic.twitter.com/0ZIHka3uh3

— ansh (@BlazeQuark) January 1, 2020

his track record doesn't warrant front runner status, obv a lot smoke is being blown up his arse rn though

Keir Remainer has his ear to the ground

Re: Yvette's low poll %, and this might be an explanation.

More evidence imvho that "Labour's hard left membership" was always a liberal fantasy, and that Corbyn's support in the party was from day one more about the clear unacceptability of the alternatives than any Trot/tankie takeover. https://t.co/zNALoSUFpx

— Lafargue (@Lafargue) January 2, 2020

I don't know why but I'm still faintly surprised at Yvette Cooper polling below JP - either the Labour Right is very small these days or they're all nervous about splitting the centrist vote. She must have really fucked it in 2015.

The opposite, I'm surprised anyone is still thinking of voting for Yvette Cooper in 2020.

i'm surprised Cooper is still in the party and this is Corbyn's real failure.

makes me wonder about the poll tbh. I doubt any of the membership are seriously thinking about Yvette Cooper in 2020. Although Ed Balls might still have hundreds of labour member socks from the last time she stood.

I was thinking with some horror that maybe a lot of the younger "trot entryists" of '16 are turning into melts now - history has shown (80's radicals turning into risible Blairite arsewipes in the 90's) they usually do but not so rapidly ffs!

Sad history of political parties is they tend to bend the membership to their pattern rather than the membership reshaping the party

I've said it before on here but the two Corbynista types I personally know were largely apolitical before Corbyn, I've always suspected they might end up following some other craze. One of them I recently blocked on Facebook following an argument about some replacement theory tinged bollocks he posted. The other one is now claiming to have found the personality cult around Corbyn distasteful!

I was largely unenthusiastic about politics until Corbyn really. Sure, I vote, and 2016 absolutely crushed me. But I came really late to Corbyn, like 2017 campaign late, and I regret that cos I missed all the earlier stuff! Think it was his speech on terrorism that did it for me, but then most of his foreign policy positions have never been that controversial for an Irish person. His flaws have been much discussed here and everywhere, but he honestly surprised me because I hadn’t ever felt “spoken for” in politics in my life, and now people are characterising him as a demon, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like I mocked this at the time but like

He remembers meeting older Irish men who had come over to London as builders. They talked in minute detail about the villages they were from and where they intended to return. “And they never went back. They kept saying, ‘When I go home’,” he recalls, “both of us knowing full well they’re never going to go home.”

It's profoundly sad or depressing, take your pick, that the best human being to lead a major party in a very long time if not ever has been so vilified and slandered. Yes he had flaws. But the fact of his humanity is something like a miracle in this vile sham.

I can practically picture the Holloway Road post office queues of seandaoine

The Holloway Road Post Office, which is now a B&Q.

My mistake, it was the Seven Sisters one!

"Yes he had flaws. But the fact of his humanity is something like a miracle in this vile sham."

I'm almost literally crying for real here!

Just normal, normal stuff here. Very normal stuff that happened very normally. pic.twitter.com/txnaJYdzAm

— Flying_Rodent (@flying_rodent) January 1, 2020