bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Also I think the route back to power for Labour lies in pledging to rebuild regions, not in a notional idea of Britishness that the Tories can always outflank them on.

NV otm (Matt too)

I don't know how effective the weaponising (as seen on that "He's brainwashing your kids" banner - or whatever it said) of the BE in schools policy was by the tories, probably very and within the heat of election campaigns are definitely the worst time to unveil such proposals.

A problem facing all UK political parties is that the UK likely won't exist in 10 years time.

So much for British values.

Absolutely. Can't we just end all this bickering by replacing prog patriotism with 'civic pride'. It has none of the baggage, describes much more accurately what e.g. RLB was talking abt in that Guardian piece, & even sounds a lot stronger & less mealy-mouthed as a slogan. https://t.co/lJniCjRuSi

— Alex Niven (@Alex_Niven) December 31, 2019

I get where this is coming from but, perhaps it’s living in Kent, ‘civic pride’ is used to justify a hell of a lot of awful things too. ASBOs, running homeless people out of town, ‘local housing / services for local people’ with a narrow view of who is white enough to qualify as ‘local’, etc, etc. It’s this stuff that leads to policies like expropriating the caravans of travelling communities, not overt nationalism. The task of detoxifying local community politics can’t be underestimated, though it’s essential.

Civic pride is the worst.

My very left-wing Turkish-born pal and her 10yo BAME daughter came over yesterday and both say that the way girl’s school teaches British Values (it’s a thing all junior schools now do) and just the fact of having such a module makes them both sick.

I'm glad ILX has come to the civic pride bad consensus and never feel bad about wanging empties over farmers fences, they are the enemy within!

emptying my wang over farmer’s fences to own the fash

Yeah suzy I was in FE when the Respect agenda started getting serious push and I used to argue a lot that "British values" was a noxious choice of phrase

not unless you mean genocide and concentration camps imo

all kids should be forced to follow Crimes of Britain on twitter!

Hard to define British values when British itself is undefined.

It's like the constitution, not defining it is its strength, innit?

My very left-wing Turkish-born pal and her 10yo BAME daughter came over yesterday and both say that the way girl’s school teaches British Values (it’s a thing all junior schools now do) and just the fact of having such a module makes them both sick.

can well understand that. I can't think of a single "British" value I'd want which is different from a human value that I'd want for everyone regardless of where they are or where they live*. Pre-national curriculum (I know, I am old) you could write to the school head expressing your misgivings but guess now they have to teach it and their hands are tied? I know people who got out of teaching because of this.

* I'd be curious to see the syllabus, tho, to see what's on it

to a lot of young citizens, they will learn Brit is just a byword for "another racist cunt" from their parents!

Brits Out.

The 10yo said that her class had to do an art project about “I’m proud to be British because” and she met the challenge by choosing something innocuous (not her word) that she hated: Thomas the Tank Engine.

Disturbing that this is being done to children. Mind you I went to Catholic school.

all kids should be forced to follow Crimes of Britain on twitter!

Like if you look at the polling (yeah I know) then Corbyn/the leadership is listed as the #1 reason why people didn't vote Labour - pretending it wasn't a big deal is comforting but also not really helpful when it comes to working out a way forward. BUT if you look at the polling on why people didn't like Corbyn then his stance on Brexit was the #1 reason.

So Matt what happened to you between the first and second sentence here? I mean all that this is telling me is 'polling (yeah I know)' rather than it should've been anyone else with Labour's Brexit policy.

The other thing is:

And I don't mind that so much because it's the main issue where I agree with the membership against him, but it definitely matters to a lot of people. As loath as I am to admit it, it might've been best to just throw us under the bus and vote for May's deal.

― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

It kind is important to try and keep younger people voting Labour. I don't think they would've understood any collaboration with May to get us out of the EU. And neither would you.

After a break and discussions with MPs and party members, I’m announcing that I'm standing to be Labour's Deputy Leader🌹

Here’s my recent Tribune article with some thoughts on why we lost badly and how we rebuild: https://t.co/LjFGYZVA5m

I'll be outlining more in the New Year.

— Richard Burgon MP (@RichardBurgon) December 31, 2019

... Gawdelpus

the burgonmentum is building

christ you don't get more depressing than the prospect swapping the magnificent McD for that useless lump.

Devastating for my friends and colleagues who lost their seats – and for their staff who lost their jobs just before Christmas.

maybe i've only noticed it this time round but there's been a load of this whine since the election result and yeah ok sucks to lose your job but this is a pathetic look

yep, like many of the poor as fuck membership who might not survive these 5 years should really be thinking about how entitled some of these cunts are to a pretty cushy job!

I've been at two company liquidations where they did them in january - to let us enjoy christmas! it didn't soften the blow!

the rest of the piece is unobjectionable stuff tbfttl but there's no strategy in there and surely BaggyMC has finished the deputy leadership as a meaningful position?

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there was loads of that shit from May in '17. You expect labour to be a bit better Ho fucking hum!

I mean all that this is telling me is 'polling (yeah I know)' rather than it should've been anyone else with Labour's Brexit policy.

I'm not sure any leader would have been able to win under FPTP with any Brexit policy, it divided their voter base so much more than the Tories. But Corbyn became toxic with crucial groups of voters for a wider range of reasons - some down to structural factors, some down to Brexit, some down to the press and some down to unforced errors.

And there were a lot of unforced errors.

OK but lets stick to unenforced errors since June 2017 only

I've yet to see proof of it - like it isn't in the polling as it hasn't been decoupled from Brexit, and looking at Johnson people are prepared to forgive everyting as long as the Brexit position was to their liking.

(On the doorstep at the final day one of the ppl I was canvassing did get a 'Corbyn friend of the terrorists' so I get how some of that got through.)

It kind is important to try and keep younger people voting Labour. I don't think they would've understood any collaboration with May to get us out of the EU. And neither would you.

if they had stuck to the '17 brexit policy then perhaps we'd have a Labour minority govt now. All politicians are toxic with chunks of the electorate, you completely overstate how toxic Corbyn was. If you think Corbyn was toxic in those Northern/Midlands marginals - see how "lock up the dolies" brylcreem toryboy does in the same ones.

Even if there is a national crisis caused by brexit. I don't think there will be a massive swell of goodwill towards Starmer just because he was a PV/2nd Ref advocate in brexit regions. If anything it might just make them hate him even more (meh that waxy faced glossy remoaner cunt!). But of course the amount of people who hated Corbyn on the doorsteps was legendary and the pollsters will back it up!

I read that as 'lock up the doilies' and thought it was some novel new way of minimising the anti-Labour grey vote.

Honestly I really doubt that a Remain lawyer from North London is the answer here either. None of the candidates are really inspiring much confidence right now.

yep. really what needs delivering now is party reform and more power to the membership alongside systems to bring thru better parliamentary candidates - i.e. people who don't look like they've spent 20 years in Basic MP School

lock up the doilies as well tbf!

a multi-pronged approach incorporating, but bigger than, the party itself. trade unions obviously still have a big role to play but they've suffered badly from 40 years of Thatcherism and they've always had their own institutional problems. all the long term problems are infinitely bigger than "how can we find a leader that won't fall out with Laura K?" and require a leap of imagination that i'm not sure exists in the PLP at all

earlier I saw some (Cummings sounding cacophony of bullshit stylee) nonsense that CCHQ complaints have been made to the bbc about their "Corbyn bias" during the election campaign period. Can't tell if it is parody or not.

It is absolutely not parody. They are putting the BBC on notice.

I wish it was funny!

Pro Corbyn bias!?!??! Man, arseholes love using this language don't they

Which Northern constituencies were you allegedly canvassing, Julio?

Yeah mte, I know I wasn’t imagining AF’s posts that started “as an EU citizen”.

Oh yeah no, I would've been livid - I was wrong. There's a lot of it to go around.

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lol sorry to bring this here - but now I'm going to be out of my overdraft. I just won £1820.00 on a 30p (10p on 5 numbers/20p on 4 of the same numbers) bet on Irish Daily Millions. I had 8 lines and it is drawn 4 times daily - so the bet cost a bit more than 30p tbh .. but fuck! After my humiliating scratchcard fail I just thought i ought to post it here - HNY folks!

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