bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

If anything ppl are talking up Starmer for the opposite, vague air of professionalism, untouched by “ideology” or “factionalism”

Charisma is Jess Phillips' middle name.

Anvil - was there an analysis of people who stayed home in those constituencies that went blue or are you just making it up?

xps where “ideology” in this context means that they’re projecting onto him, as per fucking usual, and they can’t do that with RLB, hence painting her as a purist.

xp

From Adam Ramsay's OD piece

In 49 of the 56 seats Labour lost to the Tories, turnout was down. One Labour activist, who had spent Election Day in an outer London commuter town reminding traditional Labour supporters to vote, told me that huge numbers of people who had backed the party in the past chose not to take part this time. In the constituency he was campaigning in, Milton Keynes North, turnout was down by 3.3%. The Conservatives got fewer votes than in 2017, but their majority increased, also by 3.3%.

I'd argue that any Labour mp that helped the Tories welfare bill through parliament gives more of a fuck about ideologies than ppl!

"Jess Phillips is ok but the rumours of her Brummie Stalinist backers worry me, RLB represents a clear break with the framing of the past, cherry picking the popular parts of the last two manifestos while reaching out to those disenfranchised by Corbyn's wayward approach. Everyone on my welding course is quietly impressed"

try out a variant on your local football forum.

Anvil - was there an analysis of people who stayed home in those constituencies that went blue or are you just making it up?

Just making it up innit the dog ate my homework

Yes but that could be the Brexit position or a cold December or Corbyn as one of the IRA boys finally cutting through?

Maybe if BXP wasn't running those people might've also stayed home

XP to Nashwan

General election 2019: Bury North[6]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Conservative James Daly 21,660 46.2 +1.8
Labour James Frith 21,555 46.0 -7.6
Liberal Democrats Gareth Lloyd-Johnson 1,584 3.4 +1.5
Brexit Party Alan McCarthy 1,240 2.6 +2.6
Green Charlie Allen 802 1.8 N/A
Majority 105 0.2 N/A

General election 2019: Keighley[4][5][6]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Conservative Robbie Moore 25,298 48.1 +2.0
Labour John Grogan 23,080 43.9 -2.6
Liberal Democrats Tom Franks 2,573 4.9 +2.5
Brexit Party Waqas Khan 850 1.6 N/A
Yorkshire Party Mark Barton 667 1.3 N/A
SDP Matthew Rose 132 0.3 N/A
Majority 2,218 4.2 N/A
Turnout 52,600 72.3 -0.1
Conservative gain from Labour Swing +2.3

Turnout 46,841 68.1 -2.8
Conservative gain from Labour Swing +9.1

These do? Just picked two at random and they contradict each other anyway. Don't think its all that straightforward and there's nothing to suggest there are one to one mappings here. People who didn't vote in 2017 may have voted in 2019 for example

I pasted that wrong, the second Turnout and Conservative Gain should be directly below Bury North, not in Keighleys

"Jess Phillips is ok but the rumours of her Brummie Stalinist backers worry me, RLB represents a clear break with the framing of the past, cherry picking the popular parts of the last two manifestos while reaching out to those disenfranchised by Corbyn's wayward approach. Everyone on my welding course is quietly impressed"

try out a variant on your local football forum.

― anvil, Sunday, 22 December 2019 13:59 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol!

i really wouldn't worry about jess phillips tbh - her 'charisma' is flagrant self-interest that the labour membership will not stand for

yvette cooper is the one we've got to be wary of. she's got a book out you know

Most people don't know who RLB is and the ironic thing is that she could and should actually be very media friendly as a candidate but the anointed successor thing is likely to be a millstone around her neck even if she does win - opponents are taking advantage of the silence to define her before she's had the chance to define herself. That Hattersley article is a case in point.

that senile cunt is still fighting militant

Anvil - on Bury North yes there is a -3% turnout but I wouldn't rush to read dithering into it, or lack of confidence in the manifesto. BXP as +2.5 though...

It can certainly be for other reasons this is also true.

Also it doesn't say if Jane voted Lab last time and Bxp this time, or if she stayed home this time, and previously non-voting Viv came out this time for the x in the box

Also LDs getting a bigger swing than Bxp in Keighley shows it not as straightforward everywhere as is portrayed

For all the talk of Labour's strong ground game, where I live I didn't see Labour campaigners once but Tories 5 or 6 times. The Vote Con signs are fucking everywhere, I mean from all over the estate where I live to even miles outside the constituency half way to Leeds in Morley there are Mark Eastwood signs. I have seen literally a handful of Sherriff ones. Something wasn't right there, perhaps they concentrated on the posh white side of the constituency which would have been a major error imo.

at the height of my "election mania" I was taking latex cooking gloves out with me so I could launch mudballs and clumps of muddy leaves at tory signs. I threw a brick at one and instead of knocking it of the lamppost it twisted it to a more optimum angle for drivers to see it!

LOL

yvette cooper is the one we've got to be wary of. she's got a book out you know

I hope the book goes well* because she has no chance of getting anyhwere near the leadership of the Labour Party. Literally the least likely of the names mentioned so far.

*I don't really.

I don’t think lack of name recognition is a hurdle for any of the candidates. I’d guess Cameron wasn’t a household name to much of the electorate before he became leader and then he had five years and the aftermath of the 2008 crash to set him apart from the incumbent. No reason that RLB, Lammy, Phillips or anyone else can’t do the same given the fallout from Brexit.

I never really liked Corbyn as a person that much, although he did grow on me somewhat. But RLB is one of my tribe - it feels much more personal when she gets attacked.

As a person I found him pretty tedious but didn't really care. I don't remember ever having heard RLB, Starmer or Rayner speak, at least not to the level of remembering anything about it. This isn't a negative

She was good at pointing out that The Saj was actually knee deep in the unregulated derivatives that caused the global financal crisis, rather than Labour keeping too many libraries open in Wolverhampton.

sorry to use that Alexi Sayle line, but I thought it was a good one + perhaps Labour should have used it. Especially the pusillanimous 2015 Labour that seemed to shit their pants and go quiet* whenever the crash/deficit/trad chancellors note was mentioned.

* well actually not quiet - more like we can cut more than you can cut game. This is what these cunts want to bring back. Which is why I'm unwavering on this matter.

not to mention the legit concerns remixes that poll well in focus groups

No point complaining about this - the point is to pick leader who can make it a heck of a lot harder to do. pic.twitter.com/uD853ukbVR

— Tim Bale (@ProfTimBale) December 22, 2019

if I were the leader of the labour party I would simply make it impossible for the media to abhor me and talk constant bullshit

The only way that'll happen is if they get Rupert Murdch as the new Labour leader.

if I were the leader of the labour party I would simply make it impossible for the media to abhor me and talk constant bullshit

They will do this regardless. Fighting back requires skill and talent and a willingness to use whatever means are necessary: dead cats, memorable slogans, good media performers, ruthless message discipline. Apart from the youth-facing social media campaign, Labour were terrible at this and lost track of the narrative for months on end.

"Labour were terrible at this and lost track of the narrative for months on end."

I don't agree with this at all, taking control of the narrative when all they've got is The Daily Mirror is just not going to happen - whoever the leader is (barring a Murdoch puppet of course).

It takes a hell of a lot more than skill!

was specifically thinking about antisemitism when I wrote that - Labour leadership dragged on this and just hoped it would go away

I'm sure dead cats and memorable slogans would countered antisemitism just great -lol!

ofc the print media is completely stacked against Labour, so what do we do about it? Should be a qualifying question for any leadership candidate.

Rapid Response Unit ffs.

If Review Of London Books opens her campaign by holding aloft a copy of the Sun and burning it I will jump aboard so quickly

The Sun is comic book stuff, no-one takes it seriously, however the Times and the Telegraph still have an air of respectability despite, in the case of the Telegraph especially, becoming full on propaganda sheets.

or even better, the Times!

to some extent the aim used to be to get these newspapers on board but i think now a clean and decisive break is needed from these radicalised newsletters

lol that was an xp to self

You know how Corbz was fond of his Lenin hat. Maybe Becky could adopt an IRA bandanna?

btw the Museum of Neoliberalism was superb and the satire was spot-on - made and run by a N Englander of Irish extraction after calz's own heart - pay a visit if you're in the Lee area #se12 #myendz

https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/museumofneoliberalism

ofc the print media is completely stacked against Labour, so what do we do about it? Should be a qualifying question for any leadership candidate.

Someone that can stick up for themselves

Corbz never fought back on it, but didn't exactly apologise either. Caught between two stools. "Right we got rid of Steve, that guy in Derby, and that other one, any others you want looking at? Send them over, ok next question".

Things stick in part because you let them stick, classic bully behaviour and you get respect by standing up to a bully

Murdoch paper doused in lighter fluid and torched while held in fireproof glove during job application. Do it

Rapid Response Unit ffs.

― santa clause four (suzy), Monday, December 23, 2019 4:27 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Was coming here to get pilloried for saying that labour’s media operation needs to be as good as the Alistair Cameron/rapid rebuttal unit era. Let’s make it clear that the mid 90s are a template because, as that open democracy article above, dealing with the mid 90s Murdoch press is child’s play compared to the weaponised social media we have todayand a broadcast media that more stacked against labour than I Can remember. But labour need to be that good in today’s environment.

I know 20 people who could happily serve in such a unit, time to fly my pretties!

"dealing with the mid 90s Murdoch press is child’s play compared to the weaponised social media"

that's a huge understatement, it isn't just the right wing press they are dealing with now. They are also dealing with the bbc who I can safely say have been a wing of CCHQ without sounding like a conspiracy nut. They are dealing with all the melt PLP internal wreckers who will happily give quotes to the enemy for free. They are dealing a Tory party with a huge budget (bolstered by Russian oligarch money) for social media smearing/campaigning. I am not even covering everything (cos I'm shit at long-posting!) here but Rapid Response these days would be like sending cavalry charges against Howitzers.

They can still be taken, with genuine populism, well thought out gulag construction and PEDs

sack seumas milne and appoint frankie boyle. not even joking

"well thought out gulag construction and PEDs"

I think big Tom Watson has a book out about PEDs (as opposed to PEDo conspiracies)