star wars 9 spoilers and postmortem shit talk

sat next to irl Comic Book Guy
when chewie got the medal he said loudly “Oh jesus CHRIST” and put his hands over his face in frustration, then stomped out as soon as the credits started

lol

haha that's... why would anybody be mad about that.

this made me lol

Emperor Palpatine, the Rise of Skywalker (colorized, 2019) pic.twitter.com/tfpKQ3VdnR

— Nathan Hayford (@Nathan_Hayford) December 21, 2019

The Temple of Sith is black metal as hell

sat next to irl Comic Book Guy
when chewie got the medal he said loudly “Oh jesus CHRIST” and put his hands over his face in frustration, then stomped out as soon as the credits started

lol

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, December 21, 2019 4:28 PM bookmarkflaglink

Hahaha

I do feel like this is a much more polarizing movie than The Last Jedi, even though that one had a massive amount detractors, they were so obnoxious and nasty that they made us think more of them were out there due to the noise.

But despite the polarization, I haven't seen as much gatekeeping this time around, though obviously it's always gonna be there.

Wanna piss off a Star Wars nerd, tell them Star Wars is a franchise of good "bad" movies.

I believe this may also have been the tealest movie in history. Wouldn't say it had been an issue in any of the other recent SW movies but think they really over-did that this time.

Rey just took a DNA test and turns out, she is 100% that Sith

I was so pleased with this movie. I can't imagine them sewing everything up in a better way than they did. It was all so satisfying, and felt like it had real integrity -- both with respect to what they set up in the current trilogy, as well as the "saga" as a whole.

Sure, the plot was breakneck, and there were some (enjoyably) ridiculous moments and a few "huh?" elements.. but almost everything just worked so well. Even the stuff that I had been cringing a little to anticipate (e.g., Force Ghosts) were tastefully and effectively done.

It's interesting to think back to when JJ said that this movie would tie back to the Prequel Trilogy, and we were anticipating some heavy-handed Darth Plagueis shit... instead, it circled back in a more subtle & thoughtful way. When Palpatine told Anakin that the Force could even be used "to stop people from dying," that may have largely been salesmanship -- but it turns out to be true, only it's more complicated than it sounded. We already knew that death isn't permanent for Jedi, but the finale introduced a graceful sort of economy to the idea of life & death in Star Wars.

Given all the revelations & reversals, I imagine this movie may have a lower re-watchability factor than most of the other movies (can't imagine it having nearly as much oomph once you know what's going to happen)... but I'd rate it very highly based on a theatrical viewing with an (over)excited crowd.

I literally just watched two of my friends arguing with another friend about how it was a plot hole re: how Han could have somehow appeared in a vision to Kylo. Instead of arriving at the obvious and easy conclusion that it was the cinematic version of a vision, where you talk to dead relatives in times of strife.

I feel like most nerds need training on how to watch movies.

Word. And on another level, I feel like the last movie did a good job of priming the pump for “suspension of disbelief” with respect to these surreal new Force powers... I really dug the fighting & grabbing stuff across space, occupying two places at once, etc.

I feel like most nerds need training on how to watch movies.

― Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Sunday, December 22, 2019 2:06 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Truer words have ne'er been spoken.

I found the pacing & tone of this incredibly annoying - felt like 95% of it was just characters yelling exposition and scene descriptions at each other. Every scene just felt like endless variations of:

A: “We need to do this thing!”
B: “Are you sure we need to do that thing?”
A: “We are doing the thing now!!”
(smash cut to different location)
C: “Wow A & B just did that thing!!”

That's Abrams for ya. I liked it but can agree with that

Musically, it was great hearing that little snippet of “Rey’s Theme”(?) at the very end, tying back to the first movie (and a mood/feeling that I had completely forgotten about).

"Anakin was immaculately conceived,"

It's as if a billion Catholics cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

("Immaculate Conception" refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus.)

lol even I know that and I was Methodist

repeating to my self in the mirror "Star wars is for adults" before seeing the final one & having a violent reaction like ingesting a poison

— wint (@dril) December 22, 2019

The Carrie Fisher scenes were obviously a bit odd, and took you out of the movie somewhat; as you couldn’t help but wonder “when was this filmed?,” and be conscious of how they wrote new dialogue around her existing lines. But the integration of old & new footage seemed to work well enough, and probably wouldn’t be distracting if you didn’t know the background (or on subsequent viewings).

(The younger Luke and Leia training sequence looked like a video game; but that’s ok, LOL)

Musically, it was great hearing that little snippet of “Rey’s Theme”(?) at the very end,

yes, i really loved that moment as well! Maybe my favorite part tbh? Although that could just be due to it being one of the few relatively subtle, quiet moments when it felt like i was allowed to sit back and watch a minute or two of a star wars movie, without 9 characters in 3 locations yelling in my face simultaneously

Abrams is like Zak Snyder in that he hates *beats*

(xxxpost) I agree with that; I was hyperconscious of those and scrutinizing them as I watched it and wish I wasn't. her side of the dialogue was written for other conversations but I don't know that it's really THAT obvious. I liked that fight scene, that really really did look like Mark Hammil around Jedi; but Fisher didn't really look like her at all. Oh well.

Movie was fine, dont' know what all the gripes are about. I expect to be entertained watching Star Wars and there wasn't anything not entertaining about it. The first 20 minutes seemed kind of frantic and jumbled but beyond that it chilled out. Fine with all the fanservice and cameos (the medal, etc). I just wish that we'd gotten a ghost yoda at some point.

also Bobby Frick or whatever the fuck his name is, he should be retconned into Mandalorian or something, or given his own show. Maybe he can join the Muppets.

recently somebody, i think here, posted a rant from an actor about how cinemas scrimp on their bills by deliberately using underpowered bulbs in their projectors. this was DEFINITELY the case at the stratford picturehouse. low-contrast scenes were barely visible. when sith-rey shunks out her mega-sabre for instance it literally went by without registering. i’m kind of pissed about reading that rant tbh, i’m going to notice it all the time now.

"I do feel like this is a much more polarizing movie than The Last Jedi, even though that one had a massive amount detractors, they were so obnoxious and nasty that they made us think more of them were out there due to the noise."

I like the Last Jedi but it had two cringey moments: Leia floating in a space ball, and that casino scene. I don't really think there was anything cringey in this one, so I'm surprised people are reacting to it so violently. eh fuck them.

I'm curious to know though, did Abrams plan for her to be who she is at the outset and was that something Johnson threw away; or was Johnson not even throwing that away, eveyone just assumed he had? I have to think there's some kind of general bible for these things with major plot points but maybe not.

I am going to bet the Rey as a Palpatine decision was made over mimosas at a pre-production meeting.

More than willing to bet he had planned for her to have a famous lineage but hadn't decided on who during TFA. Then after Rian killed her bloodline he said OH YOU REMEMBER THIS THING CALLED GRANDPARENTS, BITCH

Fine with all the fanservice and cameos (the medal, etc).

Totally... if there’s ever a movie where it makes sense to have a bunch of “callbacks” and moments like “who’s that? it’s Lando!” (etc.), it’s the final film in a 9-movie series. Really strange to me that ppl would complain about that.

i also didnt find that distracting and was expecting way more of that stuff than there turned out to be, based on ppls complaints

me and my partner were talking about ROTJ afterward and how we both think the whole jabbas palace sequence is a high point of the whole series, a mini movie on its own, like 30 minutes of screen time maybe? And how if they made it today theyd probably dispatch with the whole sequence in like 6 or 7 minutes. It feels as different in style from the new movies as silent films are from talkies.

I thought the Rey-velation was totally satisfying... and I didn’t need some big exposition of when Palpy had kids, etc. (any more than I needed an explanation of how he survived).

I completely understand being fatigued with the shrinking of the universe to continually revolve around old lineages.

It's why I didn't like TFA initially. I wanted new adventures and they gave me the Millennium Falcon and Empire vs Rebels part 2 within minutes.

But i grew to accept it. Some can't. I can get that.

I found it weird that so many people gasped when Kylo said "You're a Palpatine".

The force lightning was kind of an instant clue, and you know he is too old to be her father

Oh fuck they're totally gonna make the Palpatine babymaking movie aren't they

oh one aspect that was very lolsy

having the location of the wayfinder inscribed on a dagger in code (so very JJ) ....
AND
the dagger is the key to geographic location when it is used like the Goonies to find one eyed willie’s cave ie holding up to yr eye & lining up w landmarks (loooool)

Woulda been better if she went all the way into the Death Star and couldn't find it and Kylo asked what she was doing and she said she was using the dagger as a map and he said "wtf that's not how it works moron"

If they made a Palpatine romcom, what would it be called

So do they even try to square "you are nothing/your parents were nobodies" and "you're a palpatine" or nah

Yes. cos that part IS technically true

i couldn't really follow the whole point of the wayfinder or what it was for. what was the point of that? they had the dagger. or did the wayfinder point them to the planet where the death star had crashed?

the dagger told them where the Wayfinder was. the Wayfinder showed them where how to get to the uncharted Sith territory where Palpatine was hiding.

it became unnecessary for the rest of the Resistance to have it because Rey then Mapquested it for them

Yes. cos that part IS technically true

uh

"You have no place in this story. You're nothing. You come from nothing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu_U_xFsTKA

Could anyone make sense of how taking out the main fleet of Star Destroyers somehow also crippled / destroyed other Star Destroyers around the galaxy?

considering her obsession up until that point had been remembering who her parents were and waiting for them to come back, one could easily assume he was just saying her parents were nobody. her dad was just the son of a Palpatine, not the evil Palpatine. Nobody cared what Archie Palpatine was up to, esp since he didn't follow in his father's line of work.

plus I am pretty sure Kylo gleaned that knowledge from being inside Rey's head, and that's all Rey remembered. they were nobodies. it's just her grandpa wasn't.

it's pretty clear Kylo doesn't know the grandparent connection because Palpatine says "you don't know who she really is" and he goes OOOH OOOH, TELL ME, TELL ME at the beginning.

it's really no more jarring to me than Darth Vader becoming Luke's father in Ep 5 when it was very clear this was not the plan in Ep 4, and that Lucas originally planned to make Anakin SKywalker and Darth Vader two diff people.

obv this wasn't planned either but...lol, whatcha gonna do.

oh shit sorry spoilers I know not everybody here has seen Ep 5

“I guess he must have been on a different transport!” pic.twitter.com/ZxVq8ENUFJ

— david ehrlich (@davidehrlich) December 21, 2019

entire twitter thread of jokes about that line

I'm not really talking about betraying the "facts" of the scene, I'm talking about the emotion, the being totally untethered from the existing narrative and the gut-punch that generates

idk I probably care about this too much cause I thought it was the most effective moment in either movie