2020 Democratic presidential primary

serial killer vibes.

shooting for Jason but hitting Patrick, Batemanwise that is

*clicks link* "I don't know what I expected..."

Nice she felt the need to post this

Here is a "wine cave," every vineyard has one. Many/most use them for event spaces/part of their tasting rooms. It's one of the ways for a farming community under enormous pressure to get by. So anyway, diss the fundraiser if you like, but leave wine caves alone. pic.twitter.com/HUHogRVpm3

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) December 20, 2019

it's true that every vineyard has a cave; it's also true than every billionaire has killed a few people (or been obliquely responsible for the death of many people). so yeah, grow up everyone.

she sucks so much

man if the farmers i know are touchy about anything above all else it's their event spaces

Booty makes HRC look wildly spontaneous and idiosyncratic (both HRCs)

DNC: Cory Booker, you say sumthim?

The Democratic National Committee will again increase the qualification standards for its next debate in January, requiring candidates to receive at least 5 percent support in four qualifying polls, or 7 percent in two early-state polls, making it likely that the field of candidates will be winnowed further for the event.

The announcement on Friday from Tom Perez, the D.N.C. chairman, came despite intense public and private lobbying from Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey and his allies to lower the barrier to participate in the party’s debates, a cause that gained momentum after just one person of color, entrepreneur Andrew Yang, qualified for Thursday’s debate in Los Angeles.

i'm fine with this. i wish booker or castro were there instead of tom fucking steyer, but it was refreshing to have a reasonable number of people on stage last night

also, lol tom fucking steyer. his whole thing was impeaching the president. now what does he have? he says he's the only candidate (left) who is making climate change his top priority. that's great, obviously i support that, but bernie and warren both bring up climate change pretty often, too, while also addressing a billion other issues while steyer is left saying shit like "uh, but i supported impeachment 2 years ago, before many people!"

have a hard time imagining Steyer (or Yang) making that threshold in January but lord knows I've been wrong before

Looks like Steyer has had 2 qualifying polls so far and Yang has had 1.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/five-democrats-have-qualified-for-the-january-debate-who-else-might-make-it/

I don't watch these -- showbiz -- but eliminating candidates on the basis of polls and money ultimately suggests that we don't have a democracy. (And we don't.)

honestly any “left-leaning” billionaire who isn’t busy trying to fund leftist think tanks, policy pipelines, and affecting local elections all the way down to school board like their rightwing counterparts are should be fed into a wood chipper.

xp

but what should the threshold for including candidates for a debate be, if not polls and donors?

agreed that the donations part of it is ridiculous - the DNC tried to mitigate the problem of politicians using a handful of donations from super rich people by requiring each candidate to also to meet a threshold number of individual donations, thinking this would force politicians to actually get support from lots of everyday people. but in reality, some candidates ended up with a pile of money from a handful of superrich people, and then used that money for outreach to solicit small donations from other people. i remember NPR referring to one candidate (was it booker?) that was spending a ton of money in this way in order to get more individual small donors to meet the debate threshold, at the tune of something like $100 per every $1 of small donations.

i should just find the NPR segment and link to it so that no one will listen to it, but it explains it a lot better than i just did

I have no ideal answers -- sectioned debates including all the candidates would often stave off LIZ-PETE FITE FITE narratives as a bonus. (but that's the media's lifeblood)

omg two people in my office currently talking about how Pete won that exchange with Warren

They both lost that exchange iirc

How about a poll that simply asks "Who do you want to see debate?" and the top 4 or 5 get on the air and everyone else can fuck off for a month, to try and build their stats/public support up for the next one.

omg two people in my office currently talking about how Pete won that exchange with Warren

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes),

How heavy was the mallet you pummeled them with?

It's better than listening them to talk about cooking at least

Sometimes I feel like people who make these kinds of observations about political debates were watching a ghost boxing match. They think all these blows were landed, but no one else saw what they saw.

One of my FB friends said "Amy Klobuchar had a big night." WTF does that even mean when you barely register in the polls?

i was so fucking annoyed with her when jumped in to interrupt the pete-warren funding thing, because for ONCE they were actually having a debate about campaign finance reform, with concrete examples of their own recent behavior, and it was actually very informative! until klobuchar stepped in with the "i'm here to talk about america's future, i am tough and i can win" routine

the problem with "include all the candidates" is it could mean fifty people, or five hundred. i think a few ilxors have declared candidacies right here on this board here and there. so if we do want "debates" as a thing (and i think they do have value even tho the formats and punditry are both ridiculous), SOME kind of thresholds seem necessary. not saying the ones the DNC have come up with are ideal tho.

I have no opinion on how exactly debates should be limited, but some of these assholes should obviously just check themselves and not run.

yeh i've got a couple of friends who can't get enough of the klobs ans im just smgdh

at least the rules keep Bloomberg out

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_registered_2020_presidential_candidates

of December 16, 2019, there are 993 candidates who filed to run, including:

299 Democratic candidates

151 Republican candidates

47 Libertarian candidates

20 Green candidates

Hello everyone. Billionaires in wine caves have as much right to say who gets to be president as waitresses in diners and plumbers in my bathroom. Class warfare is ugly, @ewarren Thanks for listening everyone.

— Jane Lynch (@janemarielynch) December 20, 2019

those kinds of comments are always enlightening because you get to see what kinds of jobs rich people look down on

hey plumber in my bathroom: you know what, you're alright! tell me more about your "everyman" activity and persona!

anyway, first part of tweet could be much improved by changing it to "...should have the same amount of power in choosing who gets to be the president as..."

that is a catastrophic take, holy shit what a disaster for jane lynch

it's the worst tweet i've seen in some time

more like steph lynch58210, after that one, ouch

from the guardian

Is she joking? Is she serious? It’s hard to tell, but according to a quick search of federal elections filings, a Jane Lynch who lists her profession as actor and residence as Los Angeles has made the following donations to presidential campaigns this year:

$2700 to Pete Buttigieg,
$100 to Elizabeth Warren, and
$100 to Marianne Williamson.

yes yes when will the plebs get it through their thick heads that class warfare only goes one way

I had to read that jane lynch five times to figure out whether it was supposed to be an irony tweet or not (it is not).

Does she not get that having the " as much right to say who gets to be president as waitresses in diners and plumbers in my bathroom" would mean much, much less say than they have now?

imagine being a functioning adult in 2019 and unwilling to appreciate someone criticizing the outsized "Say" that billionaires have had for decades

fun fact: every single billionaire is the product of class war

^^^

It's refreshing to see a Hollywood liberal like Jane Lynch recognize the deep well of patriotism that stirs within the heart of every American billionaire. If only she and Mr. Bootyjig could only see the error of their homosexual ways.

so she basically is her Mrs. Maisel character

lol snap

having fun looking up the pete donors who work at my company right now, and you can too

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?two_year_transaction_period=2020&min_date=01%2F01%2F2019&max_date=12%2F31%2F2020

I continue to enjoy Ashley Feinberg's petty-yet-meticulous internet deep dives, this time into the edit history of Mayor Pete's Wikipedia page.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/pete-buttigieg-wikipedia-page-editor.html

for the lazy, also he's a freak and terrifies me