bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

You've mentioned this before. Is there no way you could get that story out in the world without the compromised suffering because of it? Is there really no way anyone can get this story out?

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It requires someone going public who refuses to, for various reasons, thus cannot be ‘stood up’ as journalists say.

Also it looks like Starmer’s making his leadership pitch, and it’s a good one that stays classy and above the factions.

luv 2 see PLP melts who abstained on the Welfare Bill bleating about making their staff redundant

Creagh is a fucking disgrace, they need to wipe these melts out of the party now no more comprise for wreckers

c) all journalists - myself included - are bad.

Give yourself some credit, man. The fact that you're aware of how awful Laura K is for the BBC and the profession at large is proof positive that statement c) is patently untrue.

(xp) She's a loser, who cares?

She managed to make a marginal out of the constituency she was parachuted into and eventually lost it, good work there.

Just pisses me off when a no mark blairite is slurring Corbyn as preening and vain when he's taken a lot of shit for actually giving a fuck

She's lost her meal ticket but I'm sure she'll have plenty of company directorships and consultancy jobs and advisory boards lined up to keep the wolf from the door.

Thank you Pom, coming from you that really means something <3

I really despise remainers and leavers right now. I'm trapped in some paradox here!

Ugh, Newsnight on the Labour Party's lack of patriotism. Fucking awful.

the first refuge of a cunt

Apparently the first refuge of the English working class according to working class Englishman, John Denham.

Pushing the nuclear button, supporting Trident, serving in the military, this is what your English proles love.

Something the increasingly middle class Labour Party does not understand, a change from the days when it was a working class party led by Ey Up Tony Blair.

I've got to stop watching this shite but it's so hard to escape from it.

Why are they pushing this shit? The job is done. Take a fucking week off.

Victory lap

can any british people direct me to good articles that interrogate the "corbyn is an antisemite" idea?

Seeing them run through this fucking performance - sitting there saying in all attitude of seriousness, why isn't Labour patriotic? - lets you know how they'd be playing it if there were roundups happening

What I hated most about LK's joke of a doc is its basically her following main character BJ around seeing off various challenges ... all opponents made to look like a joke ... that cunt out of the ERG sitting there UNCHALLENGED calling MPs traitors ...

She's a stupid pathological prick isn't she.

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I'd be more interested in reading why the governing party's AS (3 MP's currently being investigated for unambiguous AS) isn't making any good articles right now. Corbyn is finished now and they are the fucking British party of government for possibly the next fucking 5 years now!

My pleasure, LBI!

And good luck, jim. Tbh I think everyone needs a break from this unending shitshow, be it only for a week. It's easy for me to say as I'm currently back in Canada for the holidays but a modicum of self-preserving sanity should come first, even (especially?) when a relentless war is being waged.

I’m transcribing a load of interviews of architects this week so it’s been hard not to peek at the thread/socials as I break every 10 minutes of audio to shake my hand and think about possible RSI. Decision made: sending these recordings to a transcriber starting in 2020, my friend’s partner charges a quid a minute of audio.

There appear to be 37 ERG MPs — even if they went through the lobbies with every opposition MP, they wouldn’t have enough to defeat the government. https://t.co/T4po8clI8Q

— Tom Kibasi (@TomKibasi) December 17, 2019

what does it even matter anymore when the cabinet is 99.9% comprised of right wing headcases/so called moderates who are actually psychopathic nihilists. But ERG do look like a very diverse and great bunch of lads.

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— wint (@dril) December 16, 2019

struggling to keep up with thread so apologies if this has been posted before. i thought it was interesting:

So I've been thinking about Britain's electoral psychology. Seems to me that this is something that we should all do to make sense of mess we're in. For those of you who don’t think psychology is important, consider that a lot of politics is about how people THINK and FEEL. 1/

— Richard Bentall #FBPE (@RichardBentall) December 17, 2019

idk. The campaign was cast as socialism by others in the press. There was a lot of talk of fairness.

Also, if we must talk policies consider how. @LouiseMensch (who I don’t normally agree with) makes good point that UK public are small ‘c’ conservatives and allergic to ideology. Choose words wisely. ‘Socialism’, ‘comrades’ are toxic; ‘fairness’ and ‘community’ are not. 17/

— Richard Bentall #FBPE (@RichardBentall) December 17, 2019

That leaves community and I think forgetting communities for package is where a lot of the wrong lies. Which means that leaders and their supposed lack of qualities would matter less. Again, this goes back to the Lab left having no offer at council level.

It's also pretty confused. So one tweet has a go at Venezuela but another is almost praising Bismarck for lying to the public because Cummings' strategy worked except that...many people on the left warned people not to fuck with what happened in 2016. That includes Corbyn. Like, a lot of people could have told you people wanted Brexit to go through. The polls and how they broke for remain/leave by constituency level were very, very clear.

I didn't hear much talk about socialism, I heard a lot about Marxism from the Tories and the media though.

Sorry Fizzles you made basically the same re: packaging, missed it. Just a slight expansion it xp

The Marxist stuff was thrown a lot in 2017 too and the public did not turn on Corbyn after the Manchester attacks. Why are people forgetting it?

Willing to bet that people got fed of the legal and parliamentary games. That's why Lab candidates like Nandy going on about listening is bullshit. How are you listening? It's just a passive process. Beat the racist scum and do something (anything!) for the rest. Try to pretend you care.

We need this here.

The French enjoy free and universal health care, free schools and universities, a maximum 35-hour workweek, six weeks’ annual vacation, paid parental leave and an enviable welfare safety net.

So why is France always fired up? Blame malaise. https://t.co/1YVIOtGHvJ

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) December 13, 2019

That article is a fucking laugh. Anglo-French people going about how people are spoilt? Wanna come here instead?

Take out the Anglos, seriously.

Ugh, Newsnight on the Labour Party's lack of patriotism. Fucking awful.

― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, December 17, 2019 11:17 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

IT was Newsnight where Owen Smith started going on about lack of Patriotism in Corbyn back when he was challenging him over leadershio. I thought it was going a bit far at the time. Is that a standing trope with them or just something they feel has stuck before.

that article is amazing. hmm what could the connection be between rights and popular pressure... what a paradox

That article is a fucking laugh. Anglo-French people going about how people are spoilt? Wanna come here instead?

Take out the Anglos, seriously.

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:38 AM (forty-three seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

I thought the UK had a uniquely privileged position inside teh Eu where things had been bent to fit them and elements were still feeling it just wasn't good enough for tehm. Will wait to see just how great a mess that leads to but seems quite a big one at this juncture.

Anne-Elisabeth Moutet is French, but seems happy enough, perhaps because she was educated abroad and has spent time in the United States.

Lol that article is a fucking joke.

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Q: Why are the French, who have so much, so quick to protest?
A: The French, who are so quick to protest, have so much.

oh god a Blair speech is due today.. just cannot...time to retreat into the bunker until all the melts have played out their bullshit game or hopefully died.

Boris Johnson has banned ministers from attending the World Economic Forum in Davos next month as he seeks to consolidate the party’s position among working-class voters.

The prime minister, who will also stay away from the annual gathering of national and business leaders, wants to “get on with delivering the priorities of the British people”, a Downing Street source said.

“The emphasis will be upon delivering [the exit deal for] Brexit by 31 January and the NHS. That is what we we promised, not going to Davos,” a source said.

Wow he really does care about the working class amazing whodathunkit he'll bring everyone together!!1!

*shoots self*

May did the same Red Tory lip service in the early days of her premiership.

So, having peeked at Blair’s remarks, he’s saying the Brexit policy Labour should have adopted... was the one Labour adopted in the end? And that Labour should have immediately accepted the result that morning and subjected the government to scrutiny during the A50 process? I haven’t looked at the whole thing but I’m waiting for him to mention there should’ve been half a dozen red lines beyond which Labour would say Brexit would have been too hard. AGTYHGGJTGUJR

Starting to feel like a lot of people are latching onto the community aspect as not just part of the solution but the only real solution - cf that Tom Whyman piece upthread. And it's important, it's hugely important, but it's a long-term project. You cannot rebuild networks and institutions that have withered over decades in the space of one Parliament, even two. Councils are underfunded and neutered, unions have declined, there may not be enough people on the ground in former Red Wall seats who can do this.

One reason people are latching onto this stuff though is because it means you can downplay the importance of things like packaging and messaging, because they seem a bit New Labour, a bit Peter Mandelson. But last week shows that this stuff WORKS, and a lack of it can be disastrous. The appeal of Corbyn was in part about the lack of packaging, people assumed that eventually the message would get through and drown everything else out, and that partially worked in 2017, but one thing everyone seems to agree on is that this year's was a badly unfocused and overstuffed campaign.

You need packaging and proper messaging AS WELL AS long-term community engagement. Labour haven't had anyone who was good at that since Blair - Miliband tried but his team were terrible at it (anyone remember One Nation Labour?) The potential must exist to present a lot of these policies in ways (and with people) who don't repel key segments of the electorate.

There are rumours (probably made up) that RLB would retain the likes of Seumas Milne and Karie Murphy and that's the one thing that absolutely should not happen. No one involved in co-ordinating this disaster should be allowed to organise a major campaign ever again.

Also, I'm wholly certain working class hero BJ will spend every available minute around xmas to free Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a citizen who's fate he fucked up so severely she won't be spending xmas at Whetherspoons, that's for sure.

Just unloading some rage here nbd. Probably need a break from this thread as well.