Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

I didn’t watch, but judging by y’all’s comments, sounds like they really should have done 12 eps.

Basically, when you boil it down, the contrast between the main antagonists of the comic and the series goes like this:

Comic: the antagonist is a white man who manages to pull off his masterplan by not telling anyone about it before it's done, and it's deliberately left ambiguous where he saved mankind or was merely a mass murderer.

Series: the antagonist is a non-white woman who doesn't manage to pull off his masterplan, because she has daddy issues and tells her father (and various others) about it before it's done, the plan is then thwarted by said father, and there's nothing in the story to indicate she wasn't delusional when she said she could save mankind.

Seriously, there was absolutely no need to make Trieu into Veidt's kid and thus diminish her motivations by implying she just wants to prove herself to daddy. In the comic, Moore was pretty careful in not giving Veidt any such psychological excuse for doing what he did, even though he thoroughly psychologised the actions of most of the other characters.

"That’s impulsive, but that’s Angela. And so that was some of the thinking that went into at least why she decides to eat the egg — knowing that eating raw eggs is very dangerous."

Ok, now I'm questioning any brain cells I thought he had.

You won't find a better review of last night's Watchmen than this. pic.twitter.com/PYF7Rz3aQn

— Ben Towle (@ben_towle) December 16, 2019

FUCK YOU IT'S AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE

lmao

are we going to get an explanation of this next season?

Trieu is all backed-up, though, right? It would be easy to bring her back as a clone.

first there needs to be a next season.
xpost

I'm sure whoever takes over the series will allow her to rest in peace

FUCK YOU IT'S AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE

― WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:02 AM bookmarkflaglink

hearing this in Zach De La Rocha voice

lol yes

those are actually the words to "Killing in the Name" in the Watchmenverse. except in the Watchmenverse the song is called "Feelin' Fine"

when rage did their onstage naked protest against pmrc in the watchment timeline they were painted blue

https://nerdbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/E941B098-8A38-4F3F-A1B9-E35863B1F4BA-1024x557.jpeg

some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses

I'm still stuck on the raw egg thing. That Angela, she's so crazy, not even the slight risk of salmonella will deter her from obtaining godlike powers! Also people eat raw egg all the time, it's not a big deal.

That was a joke by Lindelof, no? Like, the idea that that's the risk she's taking, not the risk of becoming a god? Or at least that's how I read that comment, I wouldn't have thought someone would think he was being serious.

Does he make jokes? Idk. I'm new to Lindelof.

Btw I was hoping for a glimpse of Trieu-as-Manhattan, just to see what kind of god she would have been.

seems like this show was best when it was doing its own thing rather than hewing closely to the comic (the hooded justice ep was the best and was mainly doing its own thing).

the main aspect of the story that bugged me was that dr manhattan left earth because he no longer gave a fuck about humanity due to his way of perceiving existence. him coming back to earth in order to fall in love and live like a normal human doesn't make any sense

Yea i had a hard time buying Dr Manhattan's motivations.

blue balls

not caring about anything might be a thing one might want to change

alternatively I suppose one could argue that he specifically chose this outcome because it led to his death

"i cannot self-terminate"

Or it led to the transfer of his powers to someone with experiences/memories that would allow her to so easily unlatch from humanity

this hilarious clown

That’s why I think HBO is calling it an ongoing series. I didn’t say to them, “Guys, this is going to be nine episodes, and it’s going to be like ‘Chernobyl,’ and then we should just walk away.” And so it’s unfair for me now to say, I’m changing the rules.

it's unfair for Lindelof to change the rules about how much Watchmen exists in the world

dude learnt about white supremacy from writing his multi-million dollar fanfic

if I learned anything through the experience of writing the show and reading all the things that I’ve been reading, it’s the insidiousness of white supremacy. I don’t think that I ever would have even put it in the show if I felt like we were going to try to convince the audience that it could be defeated.

mfer did his entire TV show to prove he was smarter than people who found him annoying in 1987

When I read the original Watchmen, the thing that I was completely and totally obsessed with was Hooded Justice. I would talk to other people with familiarity about Watchmen, and I’d go, “I like that they never told us who Hooded Justice was,” and they’d look at me like, “Who?” And I’d be like, “You know, Hooded Justice? He’s one of the original Minutemen,” and their eyes would glaze over. I was like, “Oh, okay, nobody else cares about this thing.” But that obsession became the foundation for this season of Watchmen. And so, maybe somebody will do the same with Lube Man.

digging up the damning quotes

The amount of mental energy people spend on something they ostensibly hate never fails to amaze me.

enh as far as bad/silly/embarrassing lindelof interview quotes go those all rank pretty low

the sic bot's neural network is not that sophisticated yet guys

anyway see you all again itt in 2-3 years

im not sure i would watch a second season.

The amount of mental energy people spend on something they ostensibly hate never fails to amaze me.

hi welcome to ilxor dot com

Just coming here to say that James Wolk (Keene) is the only white man with no lips who would be allowed to absolutely destroy me

Bob Benson?

AKA my husband!

: )

A lot to be disappointed/annoyed by in that finale but Will Reeves reading the wiki synopsis of his backstory episode might've been the low point.

haha

I watched the first 15 minutes of this, completely baffled. And is that Crockett? Wtf

In the Watchmen universe it was Tubbs and Crockett

and Crockett was played by Anthony Michael Hall

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/789015343/new-research-identifies-possible-mass-graves-from1921-tulsa-race-massacre

“Was I a worthy adversary?”

“...no.”

Gotta say, Irons’ take on Veidt grew on me

just feel like there was a whole lot of terror and weirdness in the early episodes that had leached out of it by the end - mainly the real world resonance of the 7th cavalry stuff which was totally neutered when all the old characters took centre stage

still overall positive vibes towards this unlikely good show

particularly love that “aw shit” hovering menace soundtrack motif that did a lot of heavy lifting re getting me to buy in to the early eps

just feel like there was a whole lot of terror and weirdness in the early episodes that had leached out of it by the end

yep. can't believe I've gotten to the point where I'm complaining that a Lindelof show/movie wrapped up too neatly, but here we are. Great show overall though

Calsters did you say the same thing watching Knives Out?

I watched the finale a second time and I def agree it was too neat / brushed aside too many of the more difficult themes. But it's less of a problem if it comes back. (Which it will; viewership went up over the course of the season, which is pretty rare.)

also, call me crazy, but on rewatch (esp given the multiple references to other US presidents throughout the ep), "for all that he could do, he could have done more" struck me as a sneaky Obama reference