bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

No I fully agree re your last point, that's what I was trying to say with my caveat. Rather was trying to flag up how such a nonsense narrative can still maintain common-sense media dominance. I guess my main point is that I'm skeptical about relying on cause and effect responses from voters. Look at the absolute state of the place in 2019 yet here we are

Wait actually might have misread your last post, I'll get back to you

Could you actually unpack that point a little bit more because I'm not sure I follow you and I'm interested

We could start with "many whose fortunes were simply no better prior to 2008" - who would it be that you're talking about here?

No matter how shit your lives were in the New Labour Golden Age, the chances are they're worse now because of austerity/increasingly punitive welfare policies + the evaporation of many of the jobs that did exist. The people who were in the worst position prior to the crash have been hit twice over, perhaps more.

Whereas the lives of a lot of people who were already prosperous prior to 08-10 have not got markedly worse and that's what's kept the Tories in power and powered some of the Leave vote. A lot of people just don't believe it when you warn of dire consequences, or they don't believe those dire consequences will affect them. Doesn't mean they won't punish the government when they happen, *especially* when the government has been bullshitting them and telling them everything will be alright.

As an aside, has there been any election where the economy has been *less* of an issue? Because it was an area where both the main parties were weak and preferred not to draw too much attention to it.

Cameron's policy was entirely about the affluent moving to insulate themselves from the worst impact of the financial crisis by shifting the cost of paying for it onto the poor.

There was one Tuesday afternoon where we all on this thread got very excited about labour selling itself as the party of business and this still feels like a missed opportunity to me

Idk, maybe you should have backed a Labour Party who were pledging to teach colonial history properly in British schools at long last, as well as conducting an audit of the legacy of empire - rather than the Lib Dems, who were proposing to do neither pic.twitter.com/caEgPQhEuO

— Dan Hancox (@danhancox) December 16, 2019

Desperately full of shit Dan

not meaning the fantastic connoisseur of obscure condiments Dan H obv

Calz, did you ever see any of those (may have been leave.eu) posters with a red, angry Corbyn pictured, denouncing him for being anti-patriotic etc etc?

No I didn't see that - probably not being on FB reduces the odds of seeing this stuff.

This thing with melts who virulently campaigned against Corbyn talking about wrongs that Labour wanted to address, and weren't in the LibDem manifesto is infuriating,

How patriotic was the Lib Dem manifesto anyway?

No, these were street posters - I’ll trawl Twitter to see if I can find examples.

wait a sec.. what? this was Dan Snow denouncing Corbyn on the posters?

No, these were apparently EVERYWHERE in towns on or just before Election Day:

This is how Tories In Hastings Depicted @jeremycorbyn Whilst Standing a candidate who Has 2 ongoing Investigations against them One For ANTISEMITISM The Other ISLAMOPHOBIA and she won the seat https://t.co/te9Ztr1XnQ Time to sue I Reckon @jeremycorbyn pic.twitter.com/XayAvBcgGw

— Controversialink #JC4PM #IStandWithChrisWilliamson (@Controversialnk) December 16, 2019

i feel like boris would be much more likely to try and fuck my kids tbrr

obv they didn't hire M+C Saatchi for that subtle work!

a bit of a confused imperial japan look to that one

Soz about the Williamson stan share btw, there’s a far better report in the Northants local press saying there were loads of signs up in Northampton and Corby.

dictates their education

Dictates their letters.

The economy impact is likely more nuanced than in 1997 because of the now marked divide in age of Tory voters vs the rest. If you own your house outright and you are well past retirement as most of their core vote is, you are fairly well insulated from mortgage rates, wages, rates, all the usual economic levers.

For a crash to hurt the Tories now it’d have to hit pension income in a substantial way, or so destroy the housing market that people couldn’t easily sell up or secure loans on their outright-owned properties.

There were loads of those posters on the way back from Gatwick - without a Tory imprint, which I’m not sure if legal if they were the ones paying for it. A bunch look like they were nailed up in the middle of nowhere, not on advertising hoardings. I’d guess they’re not official Conservative ones. It comes back to the question of why they spent such little money in the election - partly because other people were spending it for them.

I can’t find the exact tweet (thought it was Stephen Bush) but he tweeted something about home ownership in the 1992 election that shocked me: that half of 30 year olds in 1992 owned homes.

In 1991, more 25-to-34-year-olds owned a house than not. Less than 25 years later, the rate of home ownership in the age group had fallen to 35.8pc — as houses become more expensive, would-be buyers have to wait longer to save up the money.

A property crash would certainly help first-time buyers!

Not if people aren’t selling though?

As we learnt from the election it's where a lot of people are situated. If the people not suffering are in 300 constituencies and the people who are is of a lesser number then it won't necessarily matter.

And ofc that's not older people too. A significant number did benefit from New Lab. They own homes even if they haven't fully paid them off. They've already voted for useless shit like Libs or Green. The likes of RLA might not win them back as it was pretty much about policy rather than racism or the return of communism that scared them.

It's a delay of the inevitable but that moment could last most of the rest of our lives. Things that could shorten this are horrible things :-(

re: older people. Would a change in tariffs mean the cost of goods, and therefore living, going up. Something must hit those older cunts?

*RL-B

Something must hit those older cunts?

Nice solid length of 2x4 should do it

I’m willing to throw a guess that people on a family income of 60-70k in the Midlands and the North still find buying fairly easy in towns where homes are under £200k so they’re all right, Jack. Also the Northern golf Nazi vote is very solid and did not need huge numbers of Thatcherbabies to join it to achieve the result.

Something must hit those older cunts?

some kind of breakdown in air travel wrecking their retirement holidays might do the trick

There’s still 5 months to run on the 5yr mandate David Cameron won when he got a majority. If you can think back that far

— No-one (@judeinlondon2) December 17, 2019

that genuinely feels about 20 years ago

jesus

Two general elections, now a recession (?) to sort this one out.

some kind of breakdown in air travel wrecking their retirement holidays might do the trick

― stet, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Longer queues in European airports! If they can get there. Climate crisis to stop all unnecessary flights by 2018 😍😍😍

Oof, put the hot takes on ice — more 2017 LibDems voted Conservative than 2017 Labour voters. And more 2017 Conservatives voted Labour than LibDems. 42k sample. pic.twitter.com/TNi6nld4lS

— Nic Wistreich (@netribution) December 17, 2019

FPTP continues to be one hell of a drug

i will never get my head around these arseholes who vacillate between parties

i mean not between Tories and Lib Dems obv, that probably comes down to colour-coordinating with your tie on election day

Another factor in this is that people don't marry and/or settle down as early in life as well and it's a lot harder to buy a house on a single person's income than it used to be, even in other parts of the country.

When they say “more” for Lib-Con and Lab-Con voters, the % is greater for LDs but surely the actual number of Labour voters is still higher because there are just more Labour voters?

Higher divorce rate these days too, as the PM can validate.

guys i'm starting to think the archbishop of canterbury's anti-establishment bona fides might be questionable

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL8QkirWoAAMNrn?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Look, we don't expect the head of the CoE to be a saint - because they're filthy protestants.

Don't expect royals not to be nonces

look i know we're going to be mired in endless navel-gazing about why boris won for months but the real answer is right here

Met with #borisjohnson's team, gave @BorisJohnson a spoon which belonged to Golda Meir. I energised this spoon with #PositiveEnergy as part of my strategy with the #mindpower of the #UK public to ensure that #JeremyCorbyn did NOT end up as #primeminister! https://t.co/zK252H9RhO

— Uri Geller (@TheUriGeller) December 16, 2019

cunt can't even energise his own career so excuse me but

ssshhhh this is how your cutlery drawer gets ruined