bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

This is what's at stake:

Former Labor deputy PM and treasurer Wayne Swan appointed director of one of Austarlia's largest fossil fuel operators https://t.co/GaBnmSjqmi

— Ketan Joshi (@KetanJ0) December 16, 2019

Absolutely no reason whatsoever RLB couldn't win an election, I don't really think of her as one of Corbyn's inner circle - she might be but, as someone who likes to imagine he is a bit more engaged with politics than the average punter, I don't really know.

To put it crudely, someone from a working class background (lol Jess Phillips), preferably Northern, seems a good idea to me.

The libs and the likes of Ian Dunt are already doing continuity Corbyn on RLB and they had no clue. Interesting coalition with the football forum lads though.

that eyeroll at Chakraborrty when he was talking about disabled deaths and poverty on QT pretty much crystallised my very low opinion of Creasy. And obv I'm a hateful misogynist, that doesn't need to be stated!

Ian Who?

Just some cunt political web journo. Sorry, you don't need to know.

I know who he is and I still say Ian Who?

tbh I wouldn't know who he was if it wasn't for ILX tho.

I scolded a friend of mine for liking a Dunty post and he's promised not to do it again

To put it crudely, someone from a working class background (lol Jess Phillips), preferably Northern, seems a good idea to me.

― I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Monday, 16 December 2019 10:19 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is why I've been enthusiastically flag-waving for Rayner

It would be a first for the Labour Party!

Imagine having to exist in a culture of rhyming slang and your name’s Ian Dunt.

Isn't RLB working class?

Yeah RL-B is the real deal in terms of background. Her dad was a docker and she said her most formative experience working was working in a pawn shop. Second gen Irish too

Do the lads in this forum also love Jess Phillips too?

Love a woman who speaks her mind (unless she says something I don’t like)

I know who he is and I still say Ian Who?

That's the garbage we have to be utterly ruthless with. Join the Lib Dems, stay the fuck out of this.

Rayner is another who was safe but now isn't and will have a real battle for her seat if the BXP vote this time turns mostly Tory next time.

They love Keir Starmer lol

Sir Keir Starmer to you!

Anyway enough of your shit.

Does anyone know what Dominic Cummings might be up to? Like Bojo might be King but I doubt he will be hands on and will give him the keys to do absolutely whatever the fuck he likes...anyone have a handle on what he'll replace Whitehall with?

Actually doing Brexit and cutting deals is one level of potential chaos but this is another.

Also autocorrect keeps replacing Bojo with Bono 😱

when it rains etc

He's (briefing on) taking the knife to the DoJ

Sorry, brain fart - MoD

If I were Labour the thing I'd be worried about was Johnson's pledge to lavish infrastructure spending on the North of England. Obviously this may be total bollocks (and in any case, you don't build infrastructure somewhere just because a town's voted for you) but constant divide-and-rule is going to be the approach from now on.

^ they literally do in Northern Ireland. Check out the railway network

"Enough of your shit" - what do you find so offensive this time? I'd like a leader from the Labour Left as well, but we have to think practically

a good point a reliably weird (scotland-based but anti-SNP) shitposter just made -- i won't be linking to them lol, it's like opening the door to raw space you can't handle it -- is that alienation from metropolitan bubbles in "the north™" is often actually driven by quite local resentments, as in "they do nothing for us, all the money goes to wigan grrr!"

this is an aspect that bubblers and blubblers routinely miss: viz that considered *locally* jess phillips is birmingham posh, accent and all, with little nor traction in say the black country -- the falling red wall issue is granular like this!

can lavish tory infrastructure spending sweep these inequalities and resentments away? no! can they continue to exacerbate them to lab's disadvantage? maybe -- but i', unconvinced they have a better bead on the nature of the granularity

If I were Labour the thing I'd be worried about was Johnson's pledge to lavish infrastructure spending on the North of England

not sure that boris will be able to resist chucking billions at impractical vanity projects that don't improve people's lives by one bit. hope the north enjoys its own garden bridge / water cannons / routemaster buses / trans-pennine cable cars

"Enough of your shit" - what do you find so offensive this time? I'd like a leader from the Labour Left as well, but we have to think practically

The new money is a lot of strong signals. Whether the money materialises or not it will also be lied about. That will need to be priced in.

What will put the brakes on are these Brexit deals or even the possibility of Hard Brexit and how that will affect people (which could potentially also damage the imagination and our ability to come up with solutions). All of the experts somehow ending up right about everything but then walking away.

I'm not calling for Starmer (yet). Labour has 204 options - let's see who's up for it first

those lavish vanity projects again:

BOZZERMANDIAS

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: a vast trans-celtic bridge of stone
stands in the ocean. near it, on the strand,
half sunk, a shattered visage… etc

https://www.irishnews.com/picturesarchive/irishnews/irishnews/2018/10/08/150711522-c3cbd14a-a069-4db9-981a-b31265d7591b.jpg

"Enough of your shit" - what do you find so offensive this time? I'd like a leader from the Labour Left as well, but we have to think practically

― imago

This is a lot of things. Practical is not one of them.

If I were Labour I would simply pick the right person to unite the left and right of the party, keep onside with the unions, someone who can speak to both the working class and the squeezed middle, someone who cares about universal credit and aspiration, someone who talks about the role of women in the party but never allows any of them to achieve any meaningful power that might threaten socially conservative voters, someone who acknowledges the legitimate concerns of voters, someone who has never had an objectively correct policy stance that the far right media can shriek about, someone who is as foreign as Wiltshire, someone who can handwring about difficult issues while also being quick and decisive and dynamic on the issues that matter. Someone who can decide in a nanosecond that they’d press the button, someone who reaches out to the FBPE hordes and says “I see you.”

Agreed. Who is that person?

those lavish vanity projects again:

*BOZZERMANDIAS*

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: a vast trans-celtic bridge of stone
stands in the ocean. near it, on the strand,
half sunk, a shattered visage… etc

🖼

I'm not calling for Starmer (yet). Labour has 204 options - let's see who's up for it first

idk man I don't reckon Corbyn will run

yeah that £20 bn would cover the clean-up operation, perhaps.

Agreed. Who is that person?

Oh wait I didn't read that properly haha

Talking of potential; bridges,does the irish sea get a lot of storms or is it protected by being the UK side fop the island. Just wondering what it would actually be like to drive 30 miles across it. Maybe he should think about a tunnel? ONly took 200 years to dig the Euro one.

Also how frequently it would be closed.
But would be topical if both demagogue figures either side of the Atlantic had their own quixotic structure that was totally impractical.

Yeah lol was gonna say FBPE?! You ok etc.? Xxp

Genuinely read the first couple of lines before it went to satireville, shouldn't rush my otms

Obviously now you have more ammunition and can choose to believe whatever you want

Emily Thornberry MP says she’s “having to take legal action” over former Labour MP Caroline Flint’s claim that she called voters in one leave-voting constituency "stupid"

lol, oh deary me

btw do people itt think Starmer is
1. Bad Not Good - please give reasons/examples of badness - this is an honest request btw, I'm interested to know
2. ok but not as good as the FBPEists talked like he is (but only since he wasn't actually leader, and even if that changes I fully expect the Centrist Chorus wailing of "would love to vote for/work with Labour but not with its current leadership" to continue)
3. ok-to-good but his remainyness and background will play badly in the constituencies Lab need to win back?