bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

"based on my football-forum research, that has proven to be much more of a bellwether for actual politics than ILX."

Fucking absolute lol.

I don’t think your forum is as much “the floating middle” as you’d like to think.

To make sense of this we need a sophisticated theorisation of how class, precarity, values and identity interact

A facile "Labour lost the working class" line doesn't explain why the party's miles ahead among the age groups least likely to have a secure job or own property https://t.co/P1MvegCAor

— David Wearing (@davidwearing) December 15, 2019

lots of what is described as "working class" in the north is probably only culturally w/c in some loose sense, but more like white middle class with a regional accent. Imo

Genuinely shocked a football forum doesn’t like a left wing female politician who doesn’t spend all her time sticking it to her own side, who could have seen this coming?

By floating middle I didn't mean the middle class so much as the waverers who could have gone either way. Sorry I wasn't clearer. But I stand by the not particularly controversial idea that RLB would never win an election

xp the Bridgend canvassing piece specifically mentions this demo as petit bourgeois, who may have grown up poor but aren’t any longer, and who are always deeply conservative.

And yeah, the reasons why are very sad and unfortunate, and in an ideal world she'd be a good candidate. But she'd have to undergo an image transformation. Not impossible but...

Basically, anyone from Corbyn's close circle will be tarred with that brush

Maybe start talking about stuff that matters more to your forum pals, perhaps address some of the sensible worries they no doubt have?

we discussed the election (inevitably) at my German conversation class last night and I got a bit red-faced trying to defend Corbyn and not doing a super good job - I'd be too inarticulate in English never mind German - and it was v depressing listening to people I like and find a lot to agree with about most of the time saying... well, you know what they were saying

someone actually said that JC had lied and couldn't be trusted and ffs, the entire Tory campaign was actual deliberate lies, all the LD leaflets were based on figures (and sometimes accusations) the people making them knew to be irrelevant, but no, Corbyn said a big number of trees! ENEMY OF THE STATE

anyway, sorry to reopen all the wounds of last Friday, time to blank it out and move on to the next set of insurmountable obstacles I guess :(

*hissing sound of mental relief valve*

Did the lads in this forum cluelessly go for tactical voting like you did?

xp
that's why I'd be no good at canvassing as well, when ppl start talking garbage I just tell 'em to stfu!

Meeting a friend over xmas who loves Stella Creasy and will absolutely go in for my support. Not sure how to break it to her that I've joined Momentum lol.

Tbf the Walthamstow ppl hate her and there is a lot of bad blood (I don't know the specifics)

This is what's at stake:

Former Labor deputy PM and treasurer Wayne Swan appointed director of one of Austarlia's largest fossil fuel operators https://t.co/GaBnmSjqmi

— Ketan Joshi (@KetanJ0) December 16, 2019

Absolutely no reason whatsoever RLB couldn't win an election, I don't really think of her as one of Corbyn's inner circle - she might be but, as someone who likes to imagine he is a bit more engaged with politics than the average punter, I don't really know.

To put it crudely, someone from a working class background (lol Jess Phillips), preferably Northern, seems a good idea to me.

The libs and the likes of Ian Dunt are already doing continuity Corbyn on RLB and they had no clue. Interesting coalition with the football forum lads though.

that eyeroll at Chakraborrty when he was talking about disabled deaths and poverty on QT pretty much crystallised my very low opinion of Creasy. And obv I'm a hateful misogynist, that doesn't need to be stated!

Ian Who?

Just some cunt political web journo. Sorry, you don't need to know.

I know who he is and I still say Ian Who?

tbh I wouldn't know who he was if it wasn't for ILX tho.

I scolded a friend of mine for liking a Dunty post and he's promised not to do it again

To put it crudely, someone from a working class background (lol Jess Phillips), preferably Northern, seems a good idea to me.

― I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Monday, 16 December 2019 10:19 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is why I've been enthusiastically flag-waving for Rayner

It would be a first for the Labour Party!

Imagine having to exist in a culture of rhyming slang and your name’s Ian Dunt.

Isn't RLB working class?

Yeah RL-B is the real deal in terms of background. Her dad was a docker and she said her most formative experience working was working in a pawn shop. Second gen Irish too

Do the lads in this forum also love Jess Phillips too?

Love a woman who speaks her mind (unless she says something I don’t like)

I know who he is and I still say Ian Who?

That's the garbage we have to be utterly ruthless with. Join the Lib Dems, stay the fuck out of this.

Rayner is another who was safe but now isn't and will have a real battle for her seat if the BXP vote this time turns mostly Tory next time.

They love Keir Starmer lol

Sir Keir Starmer to you!

Anyway enough of your shit.

Does anyone know what Dominic Cummings might be up to? Like Bojo might be King but I doubt he will be hands on and will give him the keys to do absolutely whatever the fuck he likes...anyone have a handle on what he'll replace Whitehall with?

Actually doing Brexit and cutting deals is one level of potential chaos but this is another.

Also autocorrect keeps replacing Bojo with Bono 😱

when it rains etc

He's (briefing on) taking the knife to the DoJ

Sorry, brain fart - MoD

If I were Labour the thing I'd be worried about was Johnson's pledge to lavish infrastructure spending on the North of England. Obviously this may be total bollocks (and in any case, you don't build infrastructure somewhere just because a town's voted for you) but constant divide-and-rule is going to be the approach from now on.

^ they literally do in Northern Ireland. Check out the railway network

"Enough of your shit" - what do you find so offensive this time? I'd like a leader from the Labour Left as well, but we have to think practically

a good point a reliably weird (scotland-based but anti-SNP) shitposter just made -- i won't be linking to them lol, it's like opening the door to raw space you can't handle it -- is that alienation from metropolitan bubbles in "the north™" is often actually driven by quite local resentments, as in "they do nothing for us, all the money goes to wigan grrr!"

this is an aspect that bubblers and blubblers routinely miss: viz that considered *locally* jess phillips is birmingham posh, accent and all, with little nor traction in say the black country -- the falling red wall issue is granular like this!

can lavish tory infrastructure spending sweep these inequalities and resentments away? no! can they continue to exacerbate them to lab's disadvantage? maybe -- but i', unconvinced they have a better bead on the nature of the granularity

If I were Labour the thing I'd be worried about was Johnson's pledge to lavish infrastructure spending on the North of England

not sure that boris will be able to resist chucking billions at impractical vanity projects that don't improve people's lives by one bit. hope the north enjoys its own garden bridge / water cannons / routemaster buses / trans-pennine cable cars

"Enough of your shit" - what do you find so offensive this time? I'd like a leader from the Labour Left as well, but we have to think practically

The new money is a lot of strong signals. Whether the money materialises or not it will also be lied about. That will need to be priced in.

What will put the brakes on are these Brexit deals or even the possibility of Hard Brexit and how that will affect people (which could potentially also damage the imagination and our ability to come up with solutions). All of the experts somehow ending up right about everything but then walking away.

I'm not calling for Starmer (yet). Labour has 204 options - let's see who's up for it first

those lavish vanity projects again:

BOZZERMANDIAS

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: a vast trans-celtic bridge of stone
stands in the ocean. near it, on the strand,
half sunk, a shattered visage… etc

https://www.irishnews.com/picturesarchive/irishnews/irishnews/2018/10/08/150711522-c3cbd14a-a069-4db9-981a-b31265d7591b.jpg