bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Agreed. Although I'm still disappointed John Cale accepted that OBE.

Starmer would be my obvious pick for justice and I think he’d have ended up there if Corbyn had been elected. But agree, he and Cooper probably the worst subjects of melt fanfic on twitter.

My favourite petty thing about Starmer is that all the pieces about him say “he doesn’t want to be called Sir” and it’s like...why take a knighthood then?!

I don't think I knew Cale had accepted an OBE, thanks for breaking my heart Tom

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just so he can impress ppl with his disarming modesty, good weapon is that!

I’ll have to ask him but I reckon all DPPs get one on the way out.

Also I give Blue Labour 10 days before they go pffffft.

lmao they backed the tories ffs, classic india https://t.co/z4Y8eZynNw

— the grink (@iggigg) December 15, 2019

Odds on Lisa Nandy cut from 12/1 to 7/2. She’s now ahead of Starmer - with the usual caveats about political betting being meaningless applied. She has no chance imo.

See also: Evening Standard charity drives under Osborne.

I liked this thread (whether it plays into media representation or political education is your call)

Much the problem with the "we must listen to the red wall" (and never, ever, be Left wing again) brigade is editing. They edit hard bigotry into soft focus "legitimate concerns" and they edit their own questions to try to avoid getting answers that they're squeamish about hearing

— We Must Become Ungovernable (@hoodedman1187) December 15, 2019

the next leader betting market is even more meaningless than next football manager markets because of the huge block of members that will vote for the Momentum candidate. "i've got some inside info" doesn't apply!

I’ll have to ask him but I reckon all DPPs get one on the way out.

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Normally on the way through, i think. It’s coronets and ermine robes on the way our normally.

coronets and ermine robes

worst ealing comedy ever made!

but like boris said, let the ealing begin

Hey there.

I accidentally turned R4 on for a few seconds earlier and all I heard was a few seconds of Bannon's voice on that lefty remainer-biased program that boris is threatening to boycott.

Trouble with having the likes of cummings and bannon around is that their dirty tricks and lies muddy everything, like is this attack on the bbc real, or is it a play to promote the "both sides are angry with them so they must be doing a good job" narrative by stealth?

it’s naked bullying intended to keep the bbc in its place and it may work.

It has worked a treat so far.

My feeling is the winner is going to be the one who can best present themselves as a Harold Wilsonish unity candidate and that doesn't seem to be any of the people who have semi-publically declared so far. I'm not sure some of them will even get onto the ballot.

Is Registered Supporters a thing so far?

Feel genuinely sorry for most people at the BBC, most of whom are not its politics and current affairs team that people are angry with. But towards the end of the campaign even people who weren’t following that closely knew about what they were doing. People pleaded with them to stop platforming fascists, to stop pumping out lies about the opposition, and to challenge the government, and for what? If any of them feel any remorse for this, it’s far too late. They should have sacked Kuenssberg over shoot to kill; instead they scrapped the trust.

Want my Greenwich homeboy Pennycook to have a go tbh

I would be happy with RLB-AR-DB in almost any combination, RLB is surely an obvious shadow chancellor if she’s not elected leader.

Tiocfaidh Ar Corb. https://t.co/r5FY33mMVV

— Donal O'Keeffe (@Donal_OKeeffe) December 15, 2019

Really enjoy HARRIET HARMAN of all people saying Corbyn didn’t understand why Labour lost. She was most of the reason he was elected in the first place!

A couple of good reflections this morning. This certainly pushes how neolib politics has totally fucked those places although moaning about the media is no good. I do think this tweet is interesting:

Looking at the stats it's blindingly obvious that those who left Labour did so because they voted *for* Brexit. I was at a Hindu wedding in Wakefield in 2016, just before the Brexit referendum; the groom's parents were retired Labour councillors. Everyone there was voting Leave.

— Heather Parry (@HeatherParryUK) December 15, 2019

As in, again, Lab councils really took it lying or (as per Calzino's experience above) really didn't care enough to even say sorry they couldn't deliver. The offering simply isn't good enough at the moment.

This one is full of good ideas and this is totally 😍

There can be no peaceful transfer of power to a Labour right that would purge the left.

We need a disciplinarian who wants to win over the libs, expel the traitors of the 2015-19 period and then seek to win over civil society as Johnson's mask, already slipped, slips further.

— Unperturbed 🌹 (@GuardNo1) December 15, 2019

Long-Bailey is already electoral poison in the minds of the so-called floating middle. You can like her as much as you do but her as leader would be suicide, as it stands - based on my football-forum research, that has proven to be much more of a bellwether for actual politics than ILX. There's genuine distrust sticking to her that isn't sticking to Rayner (or Starmer obv). anvil will have a better grasp on this than me but I'm sure he'd back up what I'm saying

Disciplinarian? Sounds like our Jess ;)

The one crappy idea is two leaders between now and 2024. The conditions under which the general election will be fought on could be very different, and again, remaking the party to bring people in who care at all levels is priority.

Surely the one way to cut through the media is actual long term listening and organising for better things with people in communities.

"based on my football-forum research, that has proven to be much more of a bellwether for actual politics than ILX."

Fucking absolute lol.

I don’t think your forum is as much “the floating middle” as you’d like to think.

To make sense of this we need a sophisticated theorisation of how class, precarity, values and identity interact

A facile "Labour lost the working class" line doesn't explain why the party's miles ahead among the age groups least likely to have a secure job or own property https://t.co/P1MvegCAor

— David Wearing (@davidwearing) December 15, 2019

lots of what is described as "working class" in the north is probably only culturally w/c in some loose sense, but more like white middle class with a regional accent. Imo

Genuinely shocked a football forum doesn’t like a left wing female politician who doesn’t spend all her time sticking it to her own side, who could have seen this coming?

By floating middle I didn't mean the middle class so much as the waverers who could have gone either way. Sorry I wasn't clearer. But I stand by the not particularly controversial idea that RLB would never win an election

xp the Bridgend canvassing piece specifically mentions this demo as petit bourgeois, who may have grown up poor but aren’t any longer, and who are always deeply conservative.

And yeah, the reasons why are very sad and unfortunate, and in an ideal world she'd be a good candidate. But she'd have to undergo an image transformation. Not impossible but...

Basically, anyone from Corbyn's close circle will be tarred with that brush

Maybe start talking about stuff that matters more to your forum pals, perhaps address some of the sensible worries they no doubt have?

we discussed the election (inevitably) at my German conversation class last night and I got a bit red-faced trying to defend Corbyn and not doing a super good job - I'd be too inarticulate in English never mind German - and it was v depressing listening to people I like and find a lot to agree with about most of the time saying... well, you know what they were saying

someone actually said that JC had lied and couldn't be trusted and ffs, the entire Tory campaign was actual deliberate lies, all the LD leaflets were based on figures (and sometimes accusations) the people making them knew to be irrelevant, but no, Corbyn said a big number of trees! ENEMY OF THE STATE

anyway, sorry to reopen all the wounds of last Friday, time to blank it out and move on to the next set of insurmountable obstacles I guess :(

*hissing sound of mental relief valve*

Did the lads in this forum cluelessly go for tactical voting like you did?

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that's why I'd be no good at canvassing as well, when ppl start talking garbage I just tell 'em to stfu!

Meeting a friend over xmas who loves Stella Creasy and will absolutely go in for my support. Not sure how to break it to her that I've joined Momentum lol.

Tbf the Walthamstow ppl hate her and there is a lot of bad blood (I don't know the specifics)

This is what's at stake:

Former Labor deputy PM and treasurer Wayne Swan appointed director of one of Austarlia's largest fossil fuel operators https://t.co/GaBnmSjqmi

— Ketan Joshi (@KetanJ0) December 16, 2019

Absolutely no reason whatsoever RLB couldn't win an election, I don't really think of her as one of Corbyn's inner circle - she might be but, as someone who likes to imagine he is a bit more engaged with politics than the average punter, I don't really know.

To put it crudely, someone from a working class background (lol Jess Phillips), preferably Northern, seems a good idea to me.