bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

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Oh go and celebrate Boris' victory, Fred, and leave us alone please.

erm.. fuck off and die Fred please.

i think i found jess’ reddit account btw

https://i.redd.it/04tpf3k4xs441.jpg

I absolutely don’t mean on this thread. I mean that because she’s the focus of misogyny in the wider electorate we have to be careful not to use gendered criticisms. I don’t think anyone here dislikes her because of misogyny, I was just talking about the media environment she works in.

Maybe it was misogyny when she was videoed laughing during the results then immediately switched to sombre when she realised she was on camera?

Maybe it was misogyny when she palled around with Jacob Rees-Mogg in the name of broadening the discussion?

Maybe it was misogyny when she repeatedly targeted Parliament’s first black woman, someone who is so subject to abuse that her staff have to make several trips to the police with death threats weekly?

Maybe it was misogyny when she appeared on tv time and time again slagging off Labour and offering no solutions to anything?

Maybe it was misogyny when she was soaking up praise on twitter from the same dingbats who got everything wrong while Paula Sherriff was quietly making an actual difference to the world?

Maybe it was misogyny when she was retweeting Tories saying she gets too hard a time of it?

Tl; dr

The main reason to oppose Jess PHILLIPS outside her antiblackness and TERF friendly affected working class persona is the fact she’s yet to figure out that your opponents don’t praise you when they consider you a threat to them.

— No-one (@judeinlondon2) December 15, 2019

The idea that calling any woman a 'shameless twat' could somehow not be misogynistic is so complete fucked up to me as a foreigner. And I'm honestly beginning to think it's uk discourse that is wrong on this.

i would like to point out that gyac has been otm in this thread

I absolutely don’t mean on this thread. I mean that because she’s the focus of misogyny in the wider electorate we have to be careful not to use gendered criticisms. I don’t think anyone here dislikes her because of misogyny, I was just talking about the media environment she works in.

Okaaaay Fred, she’s an asshole who will punch down at the first opportunity or say something about a marginalised person to get accepted by the kool kids. When she came down to London she was in to see publishers and agents before the paint was dry on her constituency office. She’s in a hurry and she has sharp elbows, There is nothing at all wrong with being ambitious, and an ambitious woman at that, but she ain’t exactly selfless with it.

twat isn't a gendered term of abuse where I come from and please kill yourself Fred, you worthless slimeball.

I am just as concerned. And it would be odd to say “was it misogyny to criticise Abbot for privately educating her kids?” when of course lots of the energy against her is motivated by misogyny etc.

Whereas JP seems to be celebrated as the genuine voice of the working class, among other things, by misogynists, hmmmmmm....

fyi fred et al - in the uk “twat” is not a gendered slur; if anything it’s said of men more than women

(And I don’t think Phillips should be anywhere near the leadership)

Like let me make it plain as fucking day because people are not getting it.

I don’t want a woman leader who throws people under the bus.
I don’t want a woman leader who associates with those who’d do me harm.
I don’t want a woman leader who takes actions that make the chances of a Labour government less likely.

Austerity disproportionately affects women and BAME communities more.

The Tories had a 16 point lead with men, and a leader who left his wife during cancer treatment for a woman he was later reported to the police for because the neighbours were worried for her.

Boris Johnson’s burqa remarks led to Muslim women experiencing violence and harassment on the streets of Britain.

Anyone handwringing over JP is not going to convince me they care about women or the wider problem of misogyny in this country.

We deserve better women leaders than this. I think of Mary Robinson talking about how poverty, and climate justice, and opposing in the 8th amendment in the 80s. That’s my idea of a female leader I’d be proud to stand behind.

Fred has his mind on higher matters, raising the tone of political discourse in the UK as a whole *thumbs up*

I'm trying to write this piece on this awful awful commentator in Denmark, who is constantly writing about 'identity politics' in the most awful way. She is calling everyone a nazi, defending convicted rapists, thinks being 'non-binary' is ipso facto being a radical fundamentalist identitarian and grounds for firing, basically. She thinks personal communication about potential abusers should be criminalized. She is one of the worst people I know. The idea that I could somehow call her a cunt or a twat or a bitch then, I just don't see where that happens. Still misogyny?

And I've been called cunt and twat enough times to know it's not exclusively aimed at women, lol. But of course it's a gendered insult, lol.

Then again, who cares, I'm just a stupid foreigner, right? Carry on.

I am just as concerned. And it would be odd to say “was it misogyny to criticise Abbot for privately educating her kids?” when of course lots of the energy against her is motivated by misogyny etc.

And I've been called cunt and twat enough times to know it's not exclusively aimed at women, lol. But of course it's a gendered insult, lol.

Then again, who cares, I'm just a stupid foreigner, right? Carry on.

You’re otm, and I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, I’m not sure where the disagreement is. Anyway, still a bit too raw for this, so enjoy yr evenings

I guess the question of what brexit strategy Labour should have adopted is academic now given that it will likely be a settled issue by the time of the net election, but this argument that it would have been better to accept the UK was leaving and focus on achieving a better deal seems plausible:

http://www.edmundgriffiths.com/brexitwqwa.html

Remain and Leave became politically significant identities between 2017 and 2019 purely because it did not seem that the referendum had finally settled whether Britain would be leaving the European Union or not.

If the Labour Party had instead made clear that it was irrevocably committed to seeing Brexit delivered, that it would fight for a soft Brexit but that there were no circumstances whatever under which Labour would support a second referendum or the revocation of the Article 50 notification, then it would have been exceedingly difficult for the idea of stopping Brexit to get off the ground.

or at least if Labour was going to back a second referendum it should have done so earlier and with a clear pro-remain message from the leadership, some kind of formal electoral pact with the Lib Dems and Greens. It wasn't plausible to agree that the remain option was a possibility while simultaneously positioning themselves as the consensus middle-way option on brexit.

Wrong crowd: I heard said crowd were actively trying to jump him into a gang and threatening him when he wouldn’t join in.

I don't know how this works, but a black guy I used to work with sent his kid down to live with family in London when he found out he was falling under the influence of a Huddersfield organised crime gang. But this was 10 years ago.

I like how Fred can post like he's some fucking professor of linguistics and an authority on Brit dialect. He's got a lot of strings to his bow has that lad - I'll give him that.

Honestly I think if Labour had backed a different Brexit policy then they'd have lost more seats to the LibDems (or split the vote and let the Tories in) in the South of England without necessarily holding onto several of the seats they lost in Labour Leave areas. The policy pushed Swinson into a ridiculous Revoke position and killed their revival but that clearly didn't benefit Labour in the end anyway.

(xp) They don't call him Frederik the Great for nothing.

Maybe if Corbyn had explained his brexit neutrality sooner, and if they had some stronger pro-leave voices in the shadow cabinet, then their plan may have had more credibility

I'm putting a thread that doesn't address anything that she says, just that she's saying it, down to misogyny, yeah.

― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 15 December 2019 15:47 (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

scrolled down through this particular thread and the first five ones I saw were her on some news show trashing labour or their electoral chances

Jess Phillips does not catch enough shit for lying about black colleagues. She’s the type in your office who’d complain about a black colleague being rude or intimidating or uppity, and then doing white tears when called on it.

― santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, 15 December 2019 10:17 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

also lol @ this spot on take. who is this fred person who showed up to flash us his ignorance? very easy to ignore

Just want to say as well, the one time you saw Paula Sherriff get anything close to JP’s blanket adoring coverage was when she called Johnson out on his language and its effects on the political debate. For that she got death threats and a couple of articles. It’s brave to stand up when it’s frightening to do so, not so much when you’re reinforcing a line pushed by yr mates in the media.

xp excuse you, the thread only doesn’t like him cos he’s foreign

I don't "not like him" since I don't know him, but he's literally saying "blah blah blah"

big 12year old management consultant vibes

who is this fred person who showed up to flash us his ignorance?

I try not be an envious person but...

I'm going to Ireland tomorrow for a few days and jc so glad to have that eject button to fire. Feel guilty leaving bf here amongst the bared teeth.

anyway I'm very easily charmed by bossy women and a very good mark for phillips snake oil but she's too transparent a grifter even for me and I have some absolute horrors for friends

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/15/do-not-look-to-labour-to-defend-the-institutions-johnson-seeks-to-destroy

anyway this is what nick cohen is up to now

"The Conservative party pumped out lies in the election campaign and put up fake Twitter accounts with the brass neck of a Nigerian fraudster. "

anyway

I'm trying to write this piece on this awful awful commentator in Denmark, who is constantly writing about 'identity politics' in the most awful way. She is calling everyone a nazi, defending convicted rapists, thinks being 'non-binary' is ipso facto being a radical fundamentalist identitarian and grounds for firing, basically. She thinks personal communication about potential abusers should be criminalized. She is one of the worst people I know. The idea that I could somehow call her a cunt or a twat or a bitch then, I just don't see where that happens. Still misogyny?

― Frederik B, Sunday, 15 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Big Fred so brave in not calling for the Danish Melanie Phillips to be hanged, he's gonna destroy her with logic and facts on his blog.

Andrew - don't you have better ways to spend your quiet Sunday? This weekend you've basically looked at this result and saw that socialism isn't possible (despite some evidence to the contrary...and also that the way in which we are going is not sustainable) and then you've basically called out the crank left on misogyny. Like we know there are cranks on all political parties but I'm not sure what this is leading to. Nobody on here is even thinking about abandoning the left, and some of us are talking about where to go/do next.

Can you actually come up with something on that?

If I were David Miliband and read this from @chakrabortty I would simply expire on the spot pic.twitter.com/0cgjSIKrlk

— Nesrine Malik (@NesrineMalik) December 14, 2019

So what next for action on climate change in this country? Fairly sure government will do little but give handwavy answers about new technology, while more right wing elements go full-on ecofascist with rhetoric about over-population. I see the UK as being nothing but a retrograde presence at next year’s UN climate conference in Glasgow. I see personal action as being more important than ever but I think we’ve just learnt that the country has wholeheartedly rejected any real change even if it might improve life for ourselves and for our children. We can do amazing things at community level, but this is a problem that demands international action. The only positive I can think of is that at least we won’t now be holding Europe back on this.

https://www.facebook.com/Standupforscotland/videos/2603970099834842/?t=0

Boris attacking BBC now, saying Today program has a pro remain bias and threatening to decriminalize non payment of license fee ... Laura K must be glad her job preservation strategy paid off eh

there won't be so many hard feelings when half the bbc political dept get life peerages

Nick B - hopefully there will be international action, just without the UK. Given that Sydney was (is?) skyline is all fog and little on the ground seems to be happening it might be a while.

Btw, I didn't know what happened to the ABs' account being hacked but it's come up here.

AB’s twitter was hacked and his private messages dumped in public. Interesting discussions between him and Ashcroft about how to neutralise Farage, who had clearly served his purpose.

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) December 15, 2019

International action will not include anything more than backsliding lip service from our fuckstick of a PM.

Actually that not true because at least we have the states and at least the states control energy policy and the states at least understand economics and know that renewables are crazy cheap down here. Doing anything about coal mining, transportation, logging, bushfires, crazy irresponsible land use and water is off the the table.

At least in Australia the states can (even if rarely) act as a counter to federal policy but the big worry in ( as mentioned above) is there will be even more centralisation. Might as well slap a Serco logo on every town hall and have done with it.