bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

big centrist-condescension energy

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It’ll be fascinating to see what policy platform she is going to campaign on.

Doesn’t the article photo make that plain?

Seems legit.

Oh my god lol Slate tried to use a Britishism and, well, pic.twitter.com/GLhoMFeizS

— Nate Bethea (@inthesedeserts) December 15, 2019

platform = "i am the living channel of the proletarian hivemind"

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Phillips can’t just campaign on being a regular nonce, though, she has to take a position on Brexit, public spending, etc, that’s substantially different from RLB, etc, otherwise run the risk of tacitly endorsing the current policy set. We are going to have to get to a point where the cards are on the table eventually.

close observation of career centrists over the last 10 years indicates "not necessarily"

That’s true - but also partly why Yvette Cooper did so badly last time.

Yvette Cooper had nothing to offer in 2015. She impressed journalists but more of the same is a kick in the face for someone in a left behind area.

Booming post gyac, many xps

I’m with gyac, YMOF - when you have the women in the thread telling you why Jess Phillips is not impressive, and offering actual reasons (racism, the wrong kind of pugilistic instincts, all that ‘bab’ shite) maybe it’s not ‘misogyny’ that’s affecting our views?

Did everyone see that clip of her on election night laughing merrily until she realised she was on camera and then trying her best to switch to sombre “yes of course I’m devastated”

Unfortunately, the Monty Python "Timmy Williams" sketch is not on YouTube.

mine's just class chippiness, she's way more middle class than say Starmer and just fucking lies about it like everybody from Birmingham doesn't have her accent

More middle class than Starmer, McDonnell and Abbott.

it's like centrist DNA, career middle management in public/voluntary sector who apparently can mind read the people they patronisingly claim to serve

i'm not ready for this yet, was gonna try and cling to positivity, i'll shut up

I'm blocking out all melt commentariat twaterry for a few months for the sake of my mental health. Listened to lots of Radio 3 and WS yesterday and turning it off when any domestic politics are mentioned during the news.

yeah i've been doing that all weekend

Ditto but the cunts are everyhwere.

People who are looking for someone without the faults of Corbyn miss the extent to which these lines are shaped by the press. No, we wouldn’t have had the antisemitism stuff as much with Philips but we would have had other stuff. ‘She laughs at men’s suicides!’ - so it’s bullshit, that doesn’t matter.

I can't even watch the news at all

not being watching it but even on Radio 3 you get a bulletin every so often

I’m with gyac, YMOF - when you have the women in the thread telling you why Jess Phillips is not impressive, and offering actual reasons (racism, the wrong kind of pugilistic instincts, all that ‘bab’ shite) maybe it’s not ‘misogyny’ that’s affecting our views?

― santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, December 15, 2019 2:39 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have no idea where this is coming from, though? I'm pointedly not defending Jess Phillips here.

I’m meant to be having dinner at my dads place, so it’s going to be a night of tiptoeing around politics or a blazing row.

(And I’m not mentally prepared for either)

(xxp) You are pointedly putting criticism of Jess Phillips down to misogyny. Though you know that already, so I don't know why I'm telling you.

had moments of weird - not quite relief, but y'know - the last couple of days that my dad's not around to fall out with over this

My brother was actually on FB today calling John McDonnell a class act and praising the Labour manifesto, so all is not lost!

I'm putting a thread that doesn't address anything that she says, just that she's saying it, down to misogyny, yeah.

I was going to ask - but I actually already know the answer so I won’t bother. Thank you Suzy and Tom.

My brother was actually on FB today calling John McDonnell a class act and praising the Labour manifesto, so all is not lost!

I'm putting it down to the fact that she's a shameless self-publicist who'd turn up at the opening of an envelope but, you know, whatever presses your buttons.

(xp) Well, his wife is Jewish and they both consider Corbyn anti-Semitic so any discussion of politics was off the agenda. Pretty sure they voted SNP, they were in a Tory seat that went SNP, neither of then support Independence though.

her whole phoney shtick has been ripped to pieces on these threads, does it suddenly become misogyny if you say she's a shameless twat without clearly repeating what has already been posted about her multiple times?

Let’s not pretend that a lot of the stuff directed against her isn’t misogyny.

I do worry that the centrist’s ‘got to appeal to the wider electorate’ concerns will mean that there’s less chance of a woman or person of colour taking the job.

Why are the views of men speaking out to say Jess Phillips gets slagged off because of misogyny so much more correct than those of women saying “there’s more to it than that?” An ilx mystery that in this essay I will

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I don't often disagree with you dowd, but I call bullshit there if you mean on this thread.

The idea that calling any woman a 'shameless twat' could somehow not be misogynistic is so complete fucked up to me as a foreigner. And I'm honestly beginning to think it's uk discourse that is wrong on this.

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Oh go and celebrate Boris' victory, Fred, and leave us alone please.

erm.. fuck off and die Fred please.

i think i found jess’ reddit account btw

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I absolutely don’t mean on this thread. I mean that because she’s the focus of misogyny in the wider electorate we have to be careful not to use gendered criticisms. I don’t think anyone here dislikes her because of misogyny, I was just talking about the media environment she works in.

Maybe it was misogyny when she was videoed laughing during the results then immediately switched to sombre when she realised she was on camera?

Maybe it was misogyny when she palled around with Jacob Rees-Mogg in the name of broadening the discussion?

Maybe it was misogyny when she repeatedly targeted Parliament’s first black woman, someone who is so subject to abuse that her staff have to make several trips to the police with death threats weekly?

Maybe it was misogyny when she appeared on tv time and time again slagging off Labour and offering no solutions to anything?

Maybe it was misogyny when she was soaking up praise on twitter from the same dingbats who got everything wrong while Paula Sherriff was quietly making an actual difference to the world?

Maybe it was misogyny when she was retweeting Tories saying she gets too hard a time of it?

Tl; dr

The main reason to oppose Jess PHILLIPS outside her antiblackness and TERF friendly affected working class persona is the fact she’s yet to figure out that your opponents don’t praise you when they consider you a threat to them.

— No-one (@judeinlondon2) December 15, 2019

The idea that calling any woman a 'shameless twat' could somehow not be misogynistic is so complete fucked up to me as a foreigner. And I'm honestly beginning to think it's uk discourse that is wrong on this.

i would like to point out that gyac has been otm in this thread

I absolutely don’t mean on this thread. I mean that because she’s the focus of misogyny in the wider electorate we have to be careful not to use gendered criticisms. I don’t think anyone here dislikes her because of misogyny, I was just talking about the media environment she works in.

Okaaaay Fred, she’s an asshole who will punch down at the first opportunity or say something about a marginalised person to get accepted by the kool kids. When she came down to London she was in to see publishers and agents before the paint was dry on her constituency office. She’s in a hurry and she has sharp elbows, There is nothing at all wrong with being ambitious, and an ambitious woman at that, but she ain’t exactly selfless with it.