bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

As for his heart being in the right place, his heart belongs to Williamson, dear old Chris Williamson.

now more than ever the left must focus on its ultimate objective: prime minister brian eno

Taking Blyth Valley By Strategy.

Chris Williamson is history now. I wouldn't have Burgon either but Lab did stop CW from standing. It is true he just isn't quite sharp enough.

He will probably be in the Shadow cab if RLB/Lab left get in.

:-(

Keep asking myself why so many people would vote for such an awful man that has hurt so many people with his cruel welfare policies, as well as a racist prime minister. Don’t want to lose faith in humanity, but trying to be honest with myself. https://t.co/WVmdiwdQSH

— Faiza Shaheen (@faizashaheen) December 15, 2019

RLB or Rayner will be called Marxists if they keep a lot of the policies (which as you say are popular, the same ones the membership will go out to bat for too). That's the reality.

This is inevitably true though it might be harder to make it stick to someone who has never identified as part of the Socialist campaign group, is a member of the LFI, etc. A lot of people on the left will make a fuss if it’s Rayner, which will likely help her distance herself from ‘continuity Corbyn’ to some degree.

I and others had to deal with exactly this type of idiot throughout the 80s. Now he's back and I'll have to spend the next decade dealing with him all over again. https://t.co/Kix5uweNw5

— Aditya Chakrabortty (@chakrabortty) December 15, 2019

Rachel Riley might have to postpone her defeat of anti-Semiticism in the UK celebrations, because it appears that fascists are completely emboldened by an openly racist PM

Rayner also came through UNISON's leadership scheme, although "in the pockets of the unions" seems like it wasn't as big a talking point recently

"This is inevitably true though it might be harder to make it stick to someone who has never identified as part of the Socialist campaign group, is a member of the LFI, etc."

Think it will be easy enough if you are batting for social housing and rent controls and anything that threatens property rights, nationalisation and so on. Easy enough to make slippery slope arguments too.

But as I said, that's the reality but the media didn't entirely win it for Johnson.

Poor Faiza, robbed of her seat by north Chingford golf Nazis.

unsurprised to see John McD and Jeremy behaving with infinitely more class than their critics

Not difficult tbh.

Faiza increases C& WG’s vote to its highest ever level, and she bucked the national trend by her % of the vote not going up. She wasn’t the problem, people not wanting to vote Labour nationally was the problem. JC, DA, John McD all lost big chunks off their votes

Their critics are wasting their time calling RL-B thick - view entirely shared and disseminated by Guidi, btw - and every activist and member devastated without losing sees this. They’ve learned nothing from 2015.

Indeed, just been out shopping came back, turned the telly on to Andrew Adonis going on about the cancer in the Labour Party, rooting out Corbynism and making the Labour Party attractive (again) to Lib Dem supporters and moderate Conservatives.

I'm surprised he didn't call for Corbyn to be hung from a lamppost.

Oh, and first name out of his mouth when asked about a new leader? Jess Phillips. wtf is up with these fools?

Centrists are sticking the boot in because they’ve got nothing else to offer. They keep pointing at Blair, but Blair on the cusp of power hadn’t abandoned the regions for decades while taking their vote and doing nothing for them. Also ignores the not insignificant effect of Blair himself on Labour voters - “ they’re all the same” is poisonous and created the headspace for people to stay at home or switch. Mandelson saying of Northern voters “they’ve got nowhere else to go” looks like a fucking epitaph. His seat is Conservative today.

None of the “ideas” centrists are hoiking make any sense electorally or internally. Be more racist? Yeah, see how safe those remaining safe seats stay. See how many young people turn out to campaign and get involved and pay into the party. See how badly you’ll lose when people look at the Tories and don’t want a diet version of that. Be more centrist? Don’t know if you realise but it’s not 1997 and the world has moved on somewhat and your boy Tony is about as electorally popular as scurvy.

Oh, and first name out of his mouth when asked about a new leader? Jess Phillips. wtf is up with these fools?

I don't why they keep entertaining jess as a candidate - it simply is not happening unless half a million members suddenly disappear

I thought the main point of having a labour party was to contrast massively with teh more bourgeois ruling class ones. Hopefully show how outdated they were too. NOt focus on trying to create swing voters to come out to join your ersatz them.
Sounds like a really good way of creating mass apathy and not getting more of the vote really, just getting people feeling severly unrepresented and staying home cos voting isn't worth anything.

They know there is zero chance of pressuring the members to vote for her, the objective is to be able to say ‘I told you so’ after it all goes wrong next time. Xp

He wouldn't be a wrecker but he'd be liability and anyone who repped for Chris Williamson at some point might need the Yezhov treatment!

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/jeremy-corbyn-2492585
"Chris Williamson is a very good, very effective Labour MP. He’s a very strong anti-racist campaigner. He is not anti-semitic in any way."

Which is to say yes, it'd be good to have a leader that isn't specifically bound to anti-semitism, but it'll still be a stick used to beat Labour for a while - what steps have you taken to distance the party from this signature stain etc etc, only the second party to be investigated by the ECHR etc etc, we may have our problems but at least we're not Institutionally Racist etc etc.

As will everything - a lot of the mad spark of Labour over the last while seems to be seizing our strengths as weaknesses, but it turns out someone them are weaknesses, including selling transformative socialism to England (possibly including selling socialism to England full stop), and the Tories will not tire of using the massive failure to indicate that the Labour party shouldn't be listened to on anything. Boris has dodged questions so far - he won't suddenly feel the need to start answering them now.

Lol they’d throw their own activists under the bus for a slight chance that a few Lib Dem voters might peel off.

That Jess Phillips is a feisty working class lass, dontcha know? Kinda like a modern day Gracie Fields.

Anyway, they can get all Thermidorian in the TV studios as much as they like, they haven't got the numbers, the talent, the brains, you name it.

As will everything - a lot of the mad spark of Labour over the last while seems to be seizing our strengths as weaknesses, but it turns out someone them are weaknesses, including selling transformative socialism to England (possibly including selling socialism to England full stop),

This thread lol

Great scoop by Sky News to get Jess Phillips to appear on camera! https://t.co/2H0gpSnxGg

— Sketchaganda (@sketchaganda) March 27, 2019

It's funny, Labour MPs will do this kind of stuff, which at this point does nothing except hurt the party's chances of returning more MPs, then everyone will throw their hands up in horror if they end up facing a selection battle 🤷‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/3XigB4obLX

— Jack Saundrs ❤🖤 (@jack_saundrs) September 29, 2019

Horrific Woman keeps Opening her Mouth, Talking

Talking shite. Yes.

The Twitter thread didn't seem to mind much what she was talking, just that she was.

You'd be calling out misogyny if someone suggested that reni reifanstahl was a bit abhorrent, seriously Andrew

Please keep telling one of Ilx’s dwindling female voters that you know more about misogyny than her.

lol, members!

I'd be busy all day long if I was at all interested in defending her honour! But when it's literally "Gobby woman doesn't know her place", and it's a quiet Sunday...

It literally isn't "Gobby woman doesn't know her place".

Love getting talked over about this. Absolutely fuck this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL0bAuxWwAIwwt9?format=jpg&name=large nice choice of picture here too

big centrist-condescension energy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELwXzA8XYAEPEQE?format=jpg&name=large

It’ll be fascinating to see what policy platform she is going to campaign on.

Doesn’t the article photo make that plain?

Seems legit.

Oh my god lol Slate tried to use a Britishism and, well, pic.twitter.com/GLhoMFeizS

— Nate Bethea (@inthesedeserts) December 15, 2019

platform = "i am the living channel of the proletarian hivemind"

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/36/Look_Up_and_Laugh_%281935_film%29.jpg/220px-Look_Up_and_Laugh_%281935_film%29.jpg

Phillips can’t just campaign on being a regular nonce, though, she has to take a position on Brexit, public spending, etc, that’s substantially different from RLB, etc, otherwise run the risk of tacitly endorsing the current policy set. We are going to have to get to a point where the cards are on the table eventually.

close observation of career centrists over the last 10 years indicates "not necessarily"

That’s true - but also partly why Yvette Cooper did so badly last time.