bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

"the damage has been done. The catastrophe is neither waiting down the road, nor has it already happened. Rather, it is being lived through. There is no punctual moment of disaster; the world doesn’t end with a bang, it winks out, unravels, gradually falls apart."

Labour might have done better if Labour had run with a simple snappy punch packing slogan like Disaster Nationalism or Ug! Ug! (Ug! Ug! Ug!) was a bit too nebulous and long-winded for beetroot faced angry man in Blyth Valley, Wales.

lolz but sad lolz tbh

That's not in Wales, you're thinking of Don Valley.

Isn’t Don Valley the North?

yes

just joined the labour party. who should i vote for?

https://www.theweek.co.uk/91412/labour-leader-odds-who-will-replace-jeremy-corbyn

would love to see angela rayner tear strips off johnson every week in parliament so her

I don't get the suggestion that the next government is inevitably going to stumble from crisis to crisis and fall apart. Having obtained power, Johnson's only real priority will be to keep hold of it (until he gets bored I guess); having no other convictions will serve him well. I'm sure some ERGers will complain about whatever deal goes through, but the symbolism of withdrawal will end the Tory civil war that ended most previous PM's careers. I can see him handing out presents to all the various factions: flag waving and fox hunting for the dinosaurs, a bit of deregulation and tax cuts for the capitalists, more nurses for whatever's left of the centrists. That should keep him safe from internal discontent for a while.

“For you to blame Jeremy Corbyn, particularly after your colleagues on the right of the party pushed him to adopt that position of a second referendum, is absolutely abhorrent”
This #bbcqt audience member criticises parts of the Labour Party for their treatment of Jeremy Corbyn. pic.twitter.com/zRYHH8W5Eo

— BBC Question Time (@bbcquestiontime) December 13, 2019

johnson is in a position to have an easy ride for years, yes. he is also someone who somehow manages to fuck up things which appear to be unfuckupable, not all the time, but on a very regular basis. so who knows?

I think Rayner will win, even if I prefer RLB.

I don’t think anything is inevitable wrt Johnson but he does need to find a balance between the Atlanticist wing of the party and those who want a functioning relationship with Europe, will have to negotiate the economic fallout of Brexit - and hope that the ridiculous Brexit Bounce actually comes off, figure out how to implement an immigration policy that keeps business happy while persuading white racists that the doors are closed, etc, etc. None of this stuff is going to be easy, even on cheat mode with the press.

Cameron had the press against him in 2016 for the referendum a year after winning the first majority in 13 years. The press and party roll turn on Johnson too.

Anyway, I'm joining the party to be sure I can have a say in the next leader. Fuck off Yvette cooper or skinnock or whatever nobody thinks they can ride some racist mug wave back to the top of the party

idk what would happen if you polled the PCP and asked them to pick either a functional, relatively stable post-Brexit relationship with Europe that won’t substantially disrupt the economy more than necessary or a trade deal with the US - I don’t think you can have both.

Love Rayner but would rather have RLB too, she's got a kind of icy unflappable quality that I'm, possibly too easily, impressed by.

we need to avoid a neil kinnock at all fucking costs

"That's not in Wales, you're thinking of Don Valley."

that was what passes for cutting humour with me. I'm here for the next five years :P :( :(

Thank god for that

Not sarcastic

likewise alas xp

watching bbc news for some fucking reason, there is a clip of alan johnson being a prick to jon lansman, and they cut to george osborne grinning like a vampire sex pest, fucking sickening sight.

Jon L been more influential for good in this country than Alan fucking Johnson.

Don is, of course, one of the oldest place names in the British Isles *pushes glasses on bridge of nose*

I really don't get why so many people seem to think think that Keir Starmer is the person to save the Labour party, why him and not any number of other Labour centrists? is it something to do with wanting a 'serious figure' to be the next leader, and his status as a former Director of Public Prosecutions makes him one?

otm soref.

xxxps
well hopefully willl still be here, I should have added! but this is no place for suspicion of grim gallows humour. Hopefully it is still a safe space for burning melts! and for me to annoy the fuck out of mark s with my proliferate message board warrior style overuse of exclamation marks!!!

Asked what it was in particular that she disliked about Corbyn, she replied: “There’s something about his mannerisms.”

Asked if he liked Johnson, Evans sighed. “I think he’s the best of a bad bunch but it’s brilliant that the town has turned blue. It’s been Labour for too long. We need a change. Things can’t get worse.”

sorry but just look at him

Jesus f christ, this guy, feel physically sick looking at him pic.twitter.com/JdXXhpSoZl

— Wicked Wilf (@weejay) December 13, 2019

Honestly there is not another centrist in the same league as Starmer.

That’s true. I think he would get slaughtered by the press for his human rights work but there isn’t anyone on the centre/right who isn’t already a busted flush within the party.

The calz exclamation marks will be tempered by the sensible punctuation centrist Tom D. full stops, the system works

After Yvette Cooper, who isn’t up to it, and Phillips, who is loathed, you’re in to Nandy and Miliband territory. xps to myself.

bbc were suggesting jess phillips and lisa nandy

The only way either could win is if about another half a million people joined Labour to vote for them.

i think some people just can't vote for a party unless they fancy the leader

my mum likes jess philips and i generally agree with her on most things, but think she has this one seriously wrong

In my memory Starmer hasn't undermined the leadership or come out with legit concerns hatespeak, but don't want someone who has knelt for the Queen as LOTO - ever.

Come on jc is more of a snack than bj xxp

I sorta expect a Johnson government to mire in Major-type sleaze and incompetence (and some fighting from powerless minority factions in the party) but for it not to matter this time because a) media and b) no institutional ability to stop him. Millions xp

hopefully the queen will be gone by next election, people will surely not get so fucking misty eyed over charles

He lied to the Queen >:|

i think some people just can't vote for a party unless they fancy the leader

I knew a girl who had the hots for Michael Howard

I mean I had a thing for young Gordon Brown for about five minutes, but fuck that.

I believe Gordon broke a lot of hearts in his day... Michael, not so much.

I know GBro has kids but I refuse to believe he’s ever had sex in his life. His advisors had to explain porn sites to him ffs.

Things can’t get worse.

The battle cry of the deluded.

btw, did I hear right that the Tory Party proclaimed this to be "David Cameron Appreciation Day"?

Michael Howard’s wife was stunning so he may have something going for him.