bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

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I'm grateful for people posting articles and tweet threads that put this in context, or provide any sort of grounds for optimism, for the record. Also all the canvassers.

It feels like the only option right now is to try to switch off and not give this more power than necessary while there's little to be achieved, but we will of course all be angrily refreshing screens like an inverse Male Online screaming "they're doing what?!" for the best part of ten years

We were young, once

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 13 December 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link

a comprehensive green new deal, like the one labour was offering, would have put the country in a much better position to adapt, though
― Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

I know what you mean but given the reports of what's already happening it will need heavy coordination between many countries at a time. Green new deal is definitely a template for things that still can be done at some point.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link

Agreed. Shout out to all the canvassers, including comrade alphabet. Mad props.

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link

I remember when "the government has announced ..." wasn't immediately met with dread or suspicion.

stet, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link

Xp

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link

Children of Men was Bexhill, not Dover, not important but interesting to me as my mum lived there at the time.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link

thanks pom.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link

So many canvassers on twitter saying how 'they failed' but we were doing the little we could, too late. It turned to be a bit too much to turn around what was in front of us. Stuff that was building for two decades.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link

i'm so sorry you all, this is very grim. solidarity.

goole, Friday, 13 December 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link

The only comfort I can offer is that without all that incredible mobilization it would certainly have turned out even worse.

Simon H., Friday, 13 December 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link

Righteous fury from the guy in the neighbouring constituency

Re-elected Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle pledges to fight Conservatives in the street in fiery acceptance speech @lloyd_rm #GeneralElection #GeneralElection19 #generalelections2019 read full report 👉👉 https://t.co/ilKUjhMncU pic.twitter.com/hNBFnUZJ6d

— Jody Doherty-Cove (@JodyyDC) December 13, 2019

one nation under a gloom (NickB), Friday, 13 December 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link

Same lad who grabbed the mace in parliament btw

one nation under a gloom (NickB), Friday, 13 December 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link

take the lols where you can imo

TV gold here from @adamboultonSKY 😂pic.twitter.com/UblhRsxRfP

— Nick Jones (@resophonick) December 13, 2019

Simon H., Friday, 13 December 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link

Our leader in waiting.

pic.twitter.com/nfQg9hsv21

— Zack Breslin (@zack_breslin) December 13, 2019

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 13 December 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link

If this morning everything seems too dark to face, just remember that if it comes to the worst, the USA always welcomes immigrants with open, no wait, strike that.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 December 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link

I was thinking earlier there must be some right wing shitholes with better weather than here, but they don't tend to do mutual citizen exchange schemes for people that fancy a change!

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link

Australia is the go-to.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 13 December 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link

(takes a glance at recent ILX posts about Australian politics, then reads recent news reports coming from Australia)

ffs

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 December 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link

Combining anti-PC nationalism with leftist economics ... intriguing idea ... but the phrase is awkward and unwieldy ... I wonder if we can't coin one word to sum up this program. https://t.co/cnhHAuGCOu

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) December 13, 2019

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link

lol I'm in a chat right now with a friend who's angrily dissecting that joke because fascist economics wasn't actually leftist

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link

yeah that occurred to me as well. I strongly suspect Jeet knows that but couldn't resist the obvious joke.

Simon H., Friday, 13 December 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link

you can forgive him for clowning someone with a good joke, even if it is built on the wrongness of what the other eejit is saying imo!

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link

-First backbencher in history to get a budget amended in campaign to abolish Tampon Tax
-Got WHSmiths to cut exploitative prices in their hospital shops
-Secured U-turn on cuts to Dewsbury Hospital beds
-First person to say the word ‘vagina’ in House of Commons

Paula, we Stan 👏🏻 https://t.co/uSt9fERnk2

— Susie Beever (@SusieMayJourno) December 13, 2019

I feel bad for poor Paula, (I know it is a cliche) but she is a brilliant and tireless constituency MP and the incoming Tory nob who beat her by a mere thousand or so is a complete shitheel who will only represent the wealthier and white side of the constituency.

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link

Calz, Australia will welcome you with open arms. You’ll get lots of immigration points if you’re a qualified concentration camp guard, are white and are prepared to live somewhere that catches on fire. A southern cross tattoo on one shoulder, and a eureka flag on the other should tip you over the line. Don’t forget the Aussie flag budgie smugglers for the visa interview.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 13 December 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link

lol , many years ago when i was getting my electrical qualifications there was lots of talk of sparkies being needed in Australia and great rates of pay etc and even cheap houses are big with swimming pools. I thought it about it for about 10 seconds and then realised my lack of a driving license and inability to even deal with British summers could be a serious handicap out there for me. But I'd guess being white would help me ace the points system!

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link

xp was devastated when I saw that result, she is so hard working and so brave and she stood up when it counted. If you have a line of communication to her, please say something

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link

Seconded. I can’t believe she lost.

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 13 December 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link

I was pulling out my mail this morning and there was a vote Paula leaflet amongst the mail and was ready to cry foul, but then figured (quite sadly) it was probably just trapped behind the windshield of the letterbox since yesterday :(

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 19:56 (four years ago) link

i'm playing a drinking game tonight except instead of taking a drink whenever rose says st olaf i'm taking a drink whenever I feel a pang of abject misery

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link

Every major A&E unit in England has failed to hit its four-hour waiting time target for the first time, NHS figures show.

All 118 units fell below the 95% threshold in November as the NHS posted its worst performance since targets were introduced more than a decade ago.

Alongside the growing waits in A&E, the data showed there were record delays finding beds for the sickest patients.

The numbers on waiting lists for routine care also hit an all-time high.

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 December 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link

xp same

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link

https://novaramedia.com/2019/12/13/no-false-consolations/

mark s, Friday, 13 December 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link

"the damage has been done. The catastrophe is neither waiting down the road, nor has it already happened. Rather, it is being lived through. There is no punctual moment of disaster; the world doesn’t end with a bang, it winks out, unravels, gradually falls apart."

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link

Labour might have done better if Labour had run with a simple snappy punch packing slogan like Disaster Nationalism or Ug! Ug! (Ug! Ug! Ug!) was a bit too nebulous and long-winded for beetroot faced angry man in Blyth Valley, Wales.

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link

lolz but sad lolz tbh

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link

That's not in Wales, you're thinking of Don Valley.

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link

Isn’t Don Valley the North?

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link

yes

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link

just joined the labour party. who should i vote for?

https://www.theweek.co.uk/91412/labour-leader-odds-who-will-replace-jeremy-corbyn

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link

would love to see angela rayner tear strips off johnson every week in parliament so her

one nation under a gloom (NickB), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link

I don't get the suggestion that the next government is inevitably going to stumble from crisis to crisis and fall apart. Having obtained power, Johnson's only real priority will be to keep hold of it (until he gets bored I guess); having no other convictions will serve him well. I'm sure some ERGers will complain about whatever deal goes through, but the symbolism of withdrawal will end the Tory civil war that ended most previous PM's careers. I can see him handing out presents to all the various factions: flag waving and fox hunting for the dinosaurs, a bit of deregulation and tax cuts for the capitalists, more nurses for whatever's left of the centrists. That should keep him safe from internal discontent for a while.

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link

“For you to blame Jeremy Corbyn, particularly after your colleagues on the right of the party pushed him to adopt that position of a second referendum, is absolutely abhorrent”
This #bbcqt audience member criticises parts of the Labour Party for their treatment of Jeremy Corbyn. pic.twitter.com/zRYHH8W5Eo

— BBC Question Time (@bbcquestiontime) December 13, 2019



tell them!

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link

johnson is in a position to have an easy ride for years, yes. he is also someone who somehow manages to fuck up things which appear to be unfuckupable, not all the time, but on a very regular basis. so who knows?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link

I think Rayner will win, even if I prefer RLB.

I don’t think anything is inevitable wrt Johnson but he does need to find a balance between the Atlanticist wing of the party and those who want a functioning relationship with Europe, will have to negotiate the economic fallout of Brexit - and hope that the ridiculous Brexit Bounce actually comes off, figure out how to implement an immigration policy that keeps business happy while persuading white racists that the doors are closed, etc, etc. None of this stuff is going to be easy, even on cheat mode with the press.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 13 December 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link

Cameron had the press against him in 2016 for the referendum a year after winning the first majority in 13 years. The press and party roll turn on Johnson too.

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link

Anyway, I'm joining the party to be sure I can have a say in the next leader. Fuck off Yvette cooper or skinnock or whatever nobody thinks they can ride some racist mug wave back to the top of the party

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link

idk what would happen if you polled the PCP and asked them to pick either a functional, relatively stable post-Brexit relationship with Europe that won’t substantially disrupt the economy more than necessary or a trade deal with the US - I don’t think you can have both.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 13 December 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link

Love Rayner but would rather have RLB too, she's got a kind of icy unflappable quality that I'm, possibly too easily, impressed by.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link

we need to avoid a neil kinnock at all fucking costs

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link

"That's not in Wales, you're thinking of Don Valley."

that was what passes for cutting humour with me. I'm here for the next five years :P :( :(

calzino, Friday, 13 December 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link


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