2020 Democratic presidential primary

I don't think anyone hear is "rageful" or screaming himself silly.

A sizeable chunk of the Dem electorate believes only a moderate can unseat Trump. It' worthwhile to disabuse them of this.

Such idiots! If only they knew better!

why is this objection to dumb Biden statement taking place in an imaginary vacuum where nobody's activating nonvoters?

xp indeed <throws in towel, opens beer>

If you’re arguing about that you’ve already lost, the crystal of insight at the heart of progressive campaigns is that you win by making clear what you want to offer, not by trying to counteract the FUD seeded by your moderate primary opponents nor by moving closer to the center position in the general.

Anyway I’m an idiot myself so best not to take me too seriously

It’s true silby and I agree to a certain point, but this is also a space for Hadrian to vent about Biden and I don’t see how it impacts beyond the board itself.

lol xp I'm not formulating a political strategy, I'm on a message board calling Joe Biden a douche

Oh yeah idk I just refuse to give these lunatics more than incidental amounts of my headspace so I just worry about people’s health when they get mad about a morning sound bite.

Should we expect Biden to say that the lesson to learn from the UK election is to vote for Bernie Sanders?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, December 13, 2019 9:05 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's not an applicable comparison to begin with!

on some podcast (the Axelrod/Murphy one I think) they were speculating on when the oppo dump on Bernie would happen, as if the existence of Bernie oppo was not in doubt

fwiw ppl like Peter Daou have claimed to have seen full Bernie oppo files and say there's nothing special/new left, I'm inclined to believe him

I p sure HRC I scraped the barrel already, remember the damning(!) Moscow trip and Internationale sing-along?

pretty sure HRC scraped

Twitter people who still trot out the "HE STOLE CABLE" line are the best.

xp she wouldn't even campaign in wisconsin, who's to say she did her job right w.r.t. oppo scraping

She sent both the deep state and the entire country of Ukraine after Trump. If there'd been anything bad on St Bernard, she'd used it.

it's not an applicable comparison to begin with!

Of course not, it's completely ludicrous. But it's also a total gimme, and totally par for the course he'd mention it. Saying the other candidates are too far to the left is pretty much his entire platform!

i know it makes sense for him to say it, i just also think fuck him for saying it

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Plus he’s not attacking these ideas in their merits but simply saying that if the party runs on them they’ll lose.

How about we all agree he's full of shit and refrain from voting for him in the primary?

Even "Mourning" Joe reminded people this morning that Sanders and Warren aren't Corbyn.

How about we all agree he's full of shit and refrain from voting for him in the primary?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, December 13, 2019 10:23 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idgi what's wrong with reacting to his bullshit as it happens

don't worry this amoral fuckhead is still on the job

Simple lesson: there is a big majority in US and U.K. for anti-pc nationalism wedded to leftist economics. The first Democrat to get there wins.

— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) December 13, 2019

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eh, it's fine, just feels like a waste of headspace to get pissed off when he says something totally predictable and completely in line with what he's been saying all along. But probably the answer is that I should spend less time following this thread.

so Sully wants a nationalist socialist...?

kudos for consistency I guess

What he wants from Democrats is what I’m afraid we’ll get from Republicans in 2024 if a centrist Dem wins in 2020.

yeah I believe Tucker Carlson has already moved pretty close to that formula

he has a kernel of a point, in that research suggests (I posted one study along these lines earlier) a plurality US voters hold preferred positions on economics and immigration that are, respectively, center-to-far left, and sharply far right, or at least what was considered "sharply far right" when the study came out

however, the conclusion one should draw from this not "welp, guess that's what our policy has to be" but "how can we change people's minds?"

(and obviously, drawing a one-to-one comparison between the UK and the US is very silly for many reasons)

Economically lib, socially conservative is nothing new in American politics but it doesn’t pan out for the right here because they’re so beholden to their ultra-wealthy sugar daddies. It hasn’t worked for the Democrats in several decades because they cannot win races at any level without their base of minority voters.

it's kinda what Trump ran on, only those of us with half a brain knew the economic populism was horseshit.

elsewhere, in Mayor Pete Is A Dipshit, Part 3,074:

Buttigieg: “I trust you to figure out your own health care.”

— David Smith (@SmithInAmerica) December 13, 2019

i have this anti-pc rec for Sullivan: stfu, fairy

so Sully wants a nationalist socialist...?

It basically sounds like an anglo version of Quebec nationalism, tbh.

I was just making a cheap nazism joke tbh, but yeah it does sound familiar. However, Sullivan fails to recognize (I guess, or he doesn't care) that "anti-pc" in the US means stripping gay people of human rights as much as it means not being polite about pronouns or pushing back against scientific racism

Buttigieg: “I trust you to figure out your own health care.”

anyone who's spent any amount of time on the phone with an insurance company surely comforted by this

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er, I mean endorsing scientific racism

Thanks Pete, I'm going to save that quote for the next time someone tells me no one knows what neoliberalism means

“I trust you to figure out your own health care.”

this is something James Bond says when dumping a guy out of a medical helicopter

My work offers 4 or 5 insurance options and the pros and cons of them are totally opaque.

lol

so otm

The last time I had insurance I called the first 10 GPs listed on my insurance as accepting new patients, none were, I gave up.

lol PK

Pretty sure that sentiment is why 80% of our consumer economy is essential oils and huckster health supplements.

"anti-PC populism" is at BEST code for "the new deal consensus was cool, before all the minorities and women left out of postwar prosperity got all uppity"

gotta say that the biggest appeal by far to the idea of leaving the US sometime in the future is the option of being adopted by a system with socialized medicine

Are there any direct descendants of Huey Long left to be our standard-bearers?