2020 Democratic presidential primary

Afaict, both of them kept racist demagogues out of power.

I strongly prefer Sanders and Warren tbc!

Buttigeig appears to have no core values or principles and his emerging campaign 'agenda' is so content-free that putting him in the highest office in the nation would be "buying a pig in a poke", an unknown quantity who has done not one thing to earn our trust. His nickname should be "Mystery Meat".

Biden's agenda seems even more content-free to me tbh.

there once was a mayor named pete
whose platform was mystery meat
his court stuffing plan
was underwhelming and bland
and the rest of his ideas smelled like feet

Booty's a Let's Make a Deal candidate, just more polite than the other guy(s)

I think Joe's "Dems shdn't have too much power" is extreme content

The Supreme Court idea may be bad enough to dq Buttigieg, it's true.

I would go with Biden tbh because of the increased odds that he will die in office and a younger/better VP would assume the presidency

― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:41 PM (two minutes ago)

Biden/HRC - By any means necessary

something I never would have thought even as recently as 3 years ago: the Democratic Party is absolutely going to crack apart before the GOP does. can’t say if that’s good or bad...

The GOP is the true big tent party. As long as you don’t believe in anything, you’re in

or as long as you *will* believe anything

xxp it already has imo

Depends if we’re talking about officeholders & apparatchiks or their voters & enablers

Did someone post this already?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/12/i-just-wish-i-could-see-biden-campaign-donald-trump-sees

Really one of Alexandra Petri's less satirical pieces (though I love all of those too; the New Yorker should fire dumb Borowitz and hire her)

Trump's fear of Biden is based on nothing more than his front runner status.

like recognize like
(Borderline incoherent ramblers with enthusiastic old bases)

yeah, also Trump simply remembers who Biden is, and everyone else except Warren isn't real to him because they weren't on his radar in the '80s.

(Bernie he seems to rarely attack now perhaps bcz the cunning hindbrain clocks Sanders as a real threat, doesn't have any idea how to (in Trump's mind) undermine him, and so doesn't want to give him the oxygen of publicity.)

i did not need to see this, on today of all days

but i did, so you're gonna have to see it too

Look out #TeamPete because us Bloomberg Heads have our own dance! Taken at the Mike Bloomberg rally in Beverly Hills. #Bloomberg2020 #MovesLikeBloomberg pic.twitter.com/UCNo0fRZcE

— Nick Ciarelli (@nickciarelli) December 13, 2019

it's a parody bg

maybe i won't throw myself into traffic just yet then

The only surprise here is that Buttigeig didn't beat him to it.

Biden warns that Boris Johnson's victory shows dangers of parties leaning too far left

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday sought to draw parallels between the results of the United Kingdom’s general election and the 2020 White House race — arguing that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s resounding victory should warn Democrats against veering too far left in their fight to defeat President Donald Trump.

“Boris Johnson is winning in a walk,” Biden, a leading Democratic presidential candidate, told attendees of a campaign fundraiser in San Francisco. The prime minister’s Conservative Party captured an overwhelming parliamentary majority in Thursday’s election, taking dozens of seats in Britain’s House of Commons from opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party.

Predicting news headlines reporting the thumping by Johnson’s Tories, Biden said: “Look what happens when the Labour Party moves so, so far to the left. It comes up with ideas that are not able to be contained within a rational basis quickly.”

hopefully like every other atom of news in this country over the past three years this supposed "lesson" from (aka severe misreading of) the uk election is forgotten immediately

It's a good thing we prevented some kind of radical nutjob from getting the Dem nomination a few years ago

Imagine what might have happened!

masochists

Should we expect Biden to say that the lesson to learn from the UK election is to vote for Bernie Sanders?

we should expect him to shut the fuck up

(Bernie he seems to rarely attack now perhaps bcz the cunning hindbrain clocks Sanders as a real threat, doesn't have any idea how to (in Trump's mind) undermine him, and so doesn't want to give him the oxygen of publicity.)

this is wishful thinking imo. I don’t think Trump is scared of Bernie Sanders at all.

Should we expect Biden to say that the lesson to learn from the UK election is to vote for Bernie Sanders?

No, we should expect him to say (OK, fine - hope he would say) that there is no real lesson to be drawn from an effectively single-issue election on a tiny island that's much more ethnically homogenous than, and has followed a starkly different historical path (hint: slavery and Jim Crow) from, the US.

Or maybe we should expect him to say whatever is most favorable to his campaign

that would seem to rule out most objections to anything any politician says

Don’t listen to every damn fool thing they say, they have to constantly say things for their job, it’s worthless

It's not worthless or they wouldn't be saying it. We can expect the above line will be used to great effect on ppl who don't know better.

I mean the lesson is truly that when a nation votes conservative at nearly every election since the 80s, it’s because its people want conservatism.

So? xp

I don't understand.

Trump said Obama was born in Kenya. Should nobody have objected becasue "so?"?

That’s a serious accusation, not some commentary on how an allied country’s election went.

I just don't get feeling rage towards a candidate because they make the obvious move of drawing conclusions that put themselves in the most favorable light. He'd be stupid to do otherwise!

feel like it's fair to hold candidates to, at a minimum, the standards we might hold pundits or ILX posters offering bad hot takes

Also I 100% wish the Dems had drawn a lesson from Brexit back then.

I mean like. You can scream yourself silly objecting at length to dumb things Joe Biden says but it’s going to matter substantially less than, say, the Sanders campaign identifying and activating nonvoters, or promulgating leftist memes. If you assume an audience of idiots waiting to be told what they already think in a digestible chunk (and I don’t know why you would, who are these idiots, I’ve never met any) then what does it profit you to remonstrate with them about the grander meaning of the UK general election

I don't think anyone hear is "rageful" or screaming himself silly.

A sizeable chunk of the Dem electorate believes only a moderate can unseat Trump. It' worthwhile to disabuse them of this.

Such idiots! If only they knew better!

why is this objection to dumb Biden statement taking place in an imaginary vacuum where nobody's activating nonvoters?

xp indeed <throws in towel, opens beer>

If you’re arguing about that you’ve already lost, the crystal of insight at the heart of progressive campaigns is that you win by making clear what you want to offer, not by trying to counteract the FUD seeded by your moderate primary opponents nor by moving closer to the center position in the general.

Anyway I’m an idiot myself so best not to take me too seriously

It’s true silby and I agree to a certain point, but this is also a space for Hadrian to vent about Biden and I don’t see how it impacts beyond the board itself.

lol xp I'm not formulating a political strategy, I'm on a message board calling Joe Biden a douche

Oh yeah idk I just refuse to give these lunatics more than incidental amounts of my headspace so I just worry about people’s health when they get mad about a morning sound bite.

Should we expect Biden to say that the lesson to learn from the UK election is to vote for Bernie Sanders?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, December 13, 2019 9:05 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's not an applicable comparison to begin with!