OAKLAND

people are mad about the Harpers article

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/12/gimme-shelter-ghost-ship-fire-san-francisco/

About what specifically? It seems to suffer from TMI, should he really be going into the mental health history of an easily identifiable friend? Also this:

But otherwise [in 2007] the Bay was astonishingly convivial—for the first time in Oakland’s history, the city’s populations of African-American, Latino, Asian, and white residents were almost exactly equal in size—and I fell in love with dozens of squats, warehouses, galleries, and underground bars, where black hyphy kids and white gutter punks and queer Asian ravers all hung out and partied together, paving the way for later spaces like Ghost Ship. It felt like the perfect time to be there, like I imagined the Eighties on New York City’s Lower East Side.

I was at some of those spaces and I don't think the 'black hyphy kid' cultural integration with SF-based largely white/asian counterculture was nearly that significant. Near the end of my time there the center of my cultural orbit did move more towards East Oakland where I did see real integration happening more. Obviously in East Oakland, Latin culture is also a major force.

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/12/gimme-shelter-ghost-ship-fire-san-francisco/

Regardless if the housing situation really is as bad as he makes it out then getting out was really my only option. I don't miss the weather tbh.

Uh he outed underground spaces that still exist and wouldn’t pass inspection. His paragraph about the local fb group was taken as a complaint. Grief tourism was a term ppl used

I also am pretty certain that one of those magical 2007 spaces was the one I used to run ... that I started posting to ILX as a way of avoiding insurmountable problems irl related to city code enforcement the “logical” conclusion of those endemic problems which was the fire ...

Sure I understand thanks for the clarification, really cool you ran one of those spaces. I'm not saying I spent a lot of time at Oakland warehouse parties, I went to a few. The music scene I was a part of was always somewhat more SF-based through to about 2010. I really miss the Oasis though, that was such a great venue. I assume it never came back?

As far as city code enforcement, the folks I knew who dealt with it seemed to feel like it was mostly reasonable but I was never involved with the process myself.

Did they try to legalize a warehouse space for shows and/or live/work?

And now there's this -- privileged and precious Berkeley people plus the writer who wrote the cringey Max Harris profile for the NY Times are going to produce a thing about Ghost Ship:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/12/10/berkeley-authors-chabon-waldman-sign-cbs-production-deal

oh god

ugh no, keep those two away from it. jesus.

did ayelet waldman have a column at one point in some local publication? I remember hate-reading her before the term was fashionable.

I'm not sure. Oh, I used to work with a guy who wound up at their house for some dinner party. he said it was exactly as enjoyable as you'd expect it to be. these people are as far removed from the people who died in the fire as anyone I can think of.

maybe they are friends with Mr. Bernbaum idk

(1/6) We believe in the power of art, and specifically of this medium, to effect change, and had hoped to harness that power not just on behalf of the victims of tragedy at the Ghost Ship, but also to help to call to account those who most bear responsibility for it.

— Ayelet Waldman (@ayeletw) December 14, 2019

^^ she continues, and then the comments are impressive

that's pretty self-aggrandaizing

"We believe that there is a conversation to be had about the propriety of telling the story of the Ghost Ship, and about the identity and moral responsibility of those who tell it, but ..
clearly it’s not a conversation that can be conducted without causing further pain to the living victims of this tragedy.
At this time, therefore, we will not be proceeding, and will do our part to leave the families and survivors to their grief and their loss, in the fervent hope that someday they find not just comfort but also a measure of justice."

go microdose some more, you still sound like a bitch

that might sound more sincere if it was written in english

"clearly it’s not a conversation that can be conducted" ....
"will do our part to leave the families and survivors to their grief and their loss"

like, does she even realize how condescending this sounds?

it was pointed out to her, not very politely

So...QuincieFAP?

That would be great, especially because I need an intervention re: LA. I think I might like it? Dunno only been here two days. But surely I shouldn’t consider LA over Bay Area, right?

Land in SF on the 25th.

LA’s great tbh if you can set it up so you don’t spend more than 3 hours a day in traffic.

Hello Bay Area, just arrived. Here for 6 nights. Schedule is wide open so FAP day/time proposals welcome. We're headquartered in SoMa but will be hitting East Bay probably multiple days I imagine.

Eating priorities are oysters, Mexican, DUMPLINGS!, Burmese, bakeries, coffee, farmers markets, sushi, uh anything else that should be eaten while in SF, what am I missing.

My only must-visits ATM are various Oakland neighborhoods, a Castro Valley run to briefly check out horsey options, japanese tea garden. Maybe theater one night? I dunno I didn't really do any planning, gonna wing a lot of it.

OK so far schedule is shaping up to be something like SF today (Thurs), Oakland Fri, SF Sat, Oakland Sun and then whatever until we ship out on the 1st.

Thus far have achieved DUMPLINGS! but really I could eat DUMPLINGS! every day. Old Oakland farmers market on Fri, Ferry Building market on Sat and Temescal market on Sun. Yeah I like markets even when I don't have kitchen access.

Rockridge, Temescal, Piedmont Ave, downtown/uptown, Grand Lake all on the neigborhood-scoping agenda. Tips on streets to check out in East Lake?

Plan is to do transit on Fri and rent car for Castro Valley trip on Sunday.

What am I missing. Should I live in Fruitvale.

Laurel District? Should I go to there.

Laurel/Dimond is great. It's more neighborhoody and there's not a lot of restaurants or bars there, but plenty of great stuff if you know where to look. It's not where you want to move if you want to be in the middle of things, or need convenient BART access.

Tips on streets to check out in East Lake?

As close to Champa Garden as possible :)

Welcome welcome. Alas I am under the weather via some bug I must have picked up during my holiday home and the next couple of days at least I'm going to lie low. Will check in on here as I feel more coherent.

If yr bored rn I am DJing at the Knockout in SF

Also from Eastlake resident and former ilxor Chaki: you should go to rockin crawfish. I am North/west lake so i haven’t been

Anyone want to get together Sunday?

Me!

Wait I thought Chaki was from LA? No?

Chaki grew up in LA but has been in the Bay for decades afaik

A little over one decade iirc, definitely not 2

Anyway maybe sunday go get food at burma superstar or teni east?

Probably need to pass just because this cold's feeling bad. We'll see how I feel Sunday morning.

OAKLAND/SF ilxors I'm sorry to have missed you this go-round, but I may be making a 2020 appearance or two so let's try again then?

Take homes from this trip:
Like Temescal and Piedmont Ave areas. Don't know how to pronounce Temescal.
Found the perfect place for the horse(s) in Castro Valley, also a good back-up place in case first place didn't work out.
Both of us are having some East Bay angst given our SF yearnings, so current plan is to rent something in SF for a year and see how the horse commute goes. I may look for an East Bay or telework job to ease the pain?
Don't know how to pronounce MUNI. Is it MYEW-nee or MOO-nee?
Bay Area is awesome. Ate so goddamn well and enjoyed the weather so much. SF is so damn pretty!
I love kumquats.

My ex who is a 4-decades (& 4th gen) native of the Temescal neighborhood always says "tem-e-SCAL" (slight emph. on terminal syllable)
MUNI = Myu Knee..
Kumquats are rad

Was it cold? I was out of town for most of the holidays.

"Both of us are having some East Bay angst given our SF yearnings, so current plan is to rent something in SF for a year " you'll pay almost double for this unless you get lucky. I'll stan for the East Bay all day long. But maybe that's just me being bitter because I never managed to move to SF despite planning to multiple times throughout the 90's.

I've always heard teh-MESS-cul in LA (there's a Temescal Canyon here).

people up here say 'temescal' in every conceivable way, I don't know that anyone will claim that you're saying it incorrectly.

The emphasis is on the second syllable

I live in an absurdly convenient spot in SF with rent control and regret not moving to Oakland when it was still affordable.

For better or for worse, I'm coming from an expensive city, and the only major sticker shock I experienced was gas prices

Apparently Keanu is in the area through February ...

Is this a good thing? (Not trying to be leading -- since the city admin is behind it, I'm wondering what's going on.)

https://www.kqed.org/arts/13874382/state-senator-introduces-legislation-to-protect-live-work-and-warehouse-residences

I don't know exactly how much I can say without violating my NDA, so I'm erring on the side of caution, but ... the answer is yes, this is a good thing.

In terms of background, now that I have read the article. The article was very cleverly/cautiously structured in terms of who was quoted and what they were quoted as saying ... and that this is related to IRS regulations regarding lobbying by non-profit organizations.

Noted and thanks.